1 man's CUR is another man's GAME

[puma]

what makes a cur dog for u JACK? ...........and what signifies that of game ............i ask these questions because i personally have seen dogs stratch until they coundnt and still were labelled curs .........for some a dog must be dead game in order to be labelled game those are not my beliefs ........what are ur ideas on this topic ????? JACK

[Officially Retired]

what makes a cur dog for u JACK? ...........

The word "cur" is over-used IMO ... and is now almost invariably used in a pejorative/derogatory fashion. If we want to pull out the ol' microscope and discuss some basic definitions (in a cool and reasonable manner), that is fine and I am happy to do so.

That said, in my judgment a "cur" is a dog that acts cowardly at some point. What I mean by this is not every dog who stops is a "cur." For example, if a bulldog fights his heart out for 1:20, but is really getting beat badly and stands the line, yeah he is definitely not "dead game," but IMO he is not a "cur" (coward) either ... unless he screams or tries to jump.

What I am getting at is, while I agree quitting is never good, I don't think every quitter is a "cur." A dog that quits on top is a cur. A dog that screams and jumps the pit is a cur (rank cur). A dog that is frustrated for :30 and stands there, basically unhurt, is a cur.

But a bulldog who stands the line after giving it his all, in a life-and-death struggle, all broken- and chopped-up to pieces is no "cur" in my opinion. He may not be "dead game," but by God he is no punk or coward either.

and what signifies that of game ............

To me, "gameness" is simply the will to win, and it is present (or absent) to varying degrees among individual dogs. A "dead game" dog is simply a dog that "wants to win" all the way up to the last breath of life leaves his body. Most true bulldogs are reasonably game (meaning, they have enough gameness to compete), but are not DEAD game. At some point, most dogs will "stop," but IMO this doesn't necessarily make them curs (cowards). They're fairly game dogs, just not DEAD game.

for some a dog must be dead game in order to be labelled game those are not my beliefs ........what are ur ideas on this topic ????? JACK

I agree with you.

It is a matter of simple logic: dead game means the dog will continue to "try to win" until he is dead. If you can't kill him, you will lose to him eventually on the scratch line (unless you have a DG dog too).

A "fairly" game dog simply means an animal will really try his ass off to win in a good effort ... but, if he's busted up too bad, or gets too tired, at some point his "gameness" (will to win) will cease and he'll stand there, but he is more than willing to try his best ... until his life or energy level reaches a critical point. Meanwhile, a "cur" (a coward) will either quit in some disgraceful/cowardly way ... or will simply quit while he's ahead, showing absolutely no resolve or "gameness" whatsoever.

Too many people confuse the word "gameness" with "dead gameness." The word "game" or "gameness" is actually useless by itself. It's like the word "tall." If I say so-and-so is "tall," what does that mean really? Tall in comparison to what? Very tall, fairly tall, etc. Therefore, when a man says a dog is "game," he really hasn't defined anything exactly ... but, for the most part, he essentially means the animal has shown a good desire to win without making a bad move ... but that does not mean the dog is DEAD game. It only means the animal has displayed a reasonable degree of gameness (will to win) to put him at a competitive level. When a man says a dog is DEEP game, he's basically saying this dog was taken pretty close to the "death" mark ... without ever making a bad move and still expressing the "will to win" regardless of his nearly-fatal injuries/fatigue.

Hope this clarifies!

Jack

[puma]

Thank u Jack it sure does but may i add in my belief there is no certainty in these dog a dead game dog in 2012 may be matched a yr later and refuse to scratch ... there it little certainty in the word GAME in my belief ....................what do u think ???

[Earl Tudor]

Thank u Jack it sure does but may i add in my belief there is no certainty in these dog a dead game dog in 2012 may be matched a yr later and refuse to scratch ... there it little certainty in the word GAME in my belief ....................what do u think ???

One can't be deadgame and be matched again :shock: , hence the term DEADgame :?

[puma]

yes he cant that does not mean the dog is dead it mean he is a dog that has to be killed in order for his challenger to win again him

[puma]

can****

[R2L]

if you get hem off the hog before he's dead there is no way to know, and if the hog kills him before he can make he scratch there is no way to tell either. imo, screw all these terms. if a dog makes the scratch after being severely injured, he did all you could ask for.

[Officially Retired]

Thank u Jack it sure does but may i add in my belief there is no certainty in these dog a dead game dog in 2012 may be matched a yr later and refuse to scratch ... there it little certainty in the word GAME in my belief ....................what do u think ???

One can't be deadgame and be matched again :shock: , hence the term DEADgame :?

Okay, Puma, you wandered off the path and got lost here.

A dog that loses dead game cannot be matched again. By the very fact he proved he was "dead" game means he died and is DEAD.

Jack

[puma]

i understand thanks again Jack

[Earl Tudor]

i understand thanks again Jack

Oh sure, give Jack all the credit for saying the same thing I did