it is really hard to put a timer on it. All dogs that go over an hour are not necessarily game. The opposing dog may have never taken him to the point where there was a decision to be made, do i go? or do I stay? One of the phrases I hate in these dogs is giving a dog props by saying he/she curred another one out. I don't really think any one particular animal can make another quit, or find the cur if the cur is not there. I believe in the level of gameness theories so that particular dog was going to quit regardless of who got him to his decision making point. Maybe it is a play on words, but I believe the better the opponent the faster he will get there. But if that dog is game, it does not matter the quality of the opponent, he will always be there. The key is when he is deemed game enough by the owner, whether he is picked up or whether he is left down hoping the higher class animal quits on top. EWO