True. But then there are like a million ways to define cur. If we were at a hypothetical show and a dog made a hypothetical chest sliding chin scraping two legged push and gets counted out half way across. There will always be at least one guy who will say if he were game he would have stood up and made his scratch. Based on that comment there will be a guy on the internet proclaiming he would never have bred to that piece of shit since he quit 25 years ago. And he knows this to be true because he knows a guy that knows a guy who saw it. EWO