I like the Garner's Gr. Ch Spike that's down from Doc, China Boy and those dogs. The Spike x Molly breeding. I like it as a cross with my Alligator stuff. Some real good dogs have come from that cross. I have a little stud dog that is a grandson to China Boy, but he's 3/4 Tonka Red Baron as well. Which is fine, but I wish I had a little bit more of it. I like the Chinaman stuff as well, but I'm no Frisco fan. No offense to anyone out there, it's just not for me. I guess I'm partial to what I know.