i dont look as patrick or carver as men who just bred for papers. they paved the way for all dogmen and work speaks for it self. unfortunately in todays world of dogs are generation lacks hard work. as anything else in 2013 we live in a microwave society we wont it now. and it has damaged the work that the patricks and carvers has done

yet and still they birthed this generation of dogmen and the roosters have came home roost.