OK Project- Here goes. Have you ever seen these Bloodlines fight? The Cry Bavy stuff had a Medium Pace. If the old Eli dog would have been out of Crybaby. Eli should have been a slower fighting dog than he was and he should have stayed in holt better than he did. When he got tired he dropped his holts. How about The Nigger stuff and the Eli Stuff? Eli stuff fights all out a hunded miles per hour. Nigger stuff has a medium pace. Well I know you haven't. They do not fight alike. They have a little different system of winning. Looks like If the Eli dogs had any Mayfield blood in them they would similar in style. OK about Zebo. When Crossed with HoneyBunch the pups were not good dogs. HoneyBunch was out of Bullyson. If Zebo had been a Boudreaux dog. I believe a big percentage of those pups would have been good. Also, One unknown fact is Zebo produced not more winners but did produce more champions than Eli Jr. Or BullySon and a heck of a lot more than Nigger produced. If you line breed or inbreed Eli stuff you still get a good percentage of good dogs. But 90 percent of the inbred Nigger dogs are currs. If crossed right the Nigger dogs percentage is much higher but occasionally you will get a good inbred one. I oned several Nigger dogs and only had one game one. Mayfield crossed them with that Fitawater stuff he had and they came good. One female I had was bred on Tudor's yard and she quit for me. Now that is what they were like years ago. I'm not sure about today. Toot when he was on the chain and down in weight looked a lot like Tombstone. It isn't unusual for a dog to look like his sire no matter what the dam was. But back when the rumors you have acquired were established that's the way they were. Their action in the pit blows your theory all to crap. Is that any nicer. You still wont like that for an answer that is why I hesitated to hand it to you but it is a tad more proof than the word from dead folks and or rumors. If I say anything to you about the facts you change the story and say I'm after Mayfield. I'm not after him in any way he was off in left field toward the end of his life. Mayfield wasn't the same person for about three or four years before he died. I'm not sure what had happened to him mentally but something changed. He was a hell of a guy before that. Ask any of his friends. It isn't just me. Randy Fox