Jack mayfield was a very good breeder and bred some very good dogs and i think to say otherwise is being very hard indeed i think in texas alone the yards he helped with dogs from his family never mind the others he sent to dogmenOriginally Posted by CA Jack
form texas to canada and california to new york who were more than happy with them and would still today wish they could gets dogs bred like
that mayfield sent them.
As for waht mayfield said being fact a fact,well i dont think i am saying everything he said is a fact, of course theres always another possiblity, but i think you yourself agreed with the tombstone theory which was like most things that have a lot of hearsay and circumstantial evidence and gut feelings rather than stone cold facts, we use our inteligence to try put the pieces in place and make the correct decsion on them as best as we can and to our satisfaction.
I do however think that although their is an outside chance that dibo born in march 21 of 1951 might have been the sire to a dog , in this instance blind billy , we would need to change up the dates and facts that we know and have never been disputed or had any doubt thrown on them untill you said it about the dobs , and it seems odd that we would rather move heaven and earth just to make floyds story fit rather than use the facts or things that we know from dibos history and floyds own words which as i said he has been sayiig since the 60s but would rather decide not to see what is right in front of our noses
instead.
Ok lets look at the what if scenario of it might be true, well unless anyone else can prove that dibos dobs is incorrect, then i think we need to take that as a starting point for this case.So dibos dob march 21 1951 we also know and untill
there is any proof otherwise dibo wasnt bred by anyone untill earl tudor got him on his yard, and that was at around 3 years old at least and so his first breeding may have been even later ,but lets say he was 2 just to give floyd a break shall we, so that would mean ,(and im being very generous is giving floyd back a year here), that dibo was on earls yard in march of 1953 (which he wasnt ) but blind billy by floyds own words from the hr time he got billy onwards was that billy was born in 1952 which still means its impossible, unless of course we play the lets make anything possible game and
every dob or knowledge we have on any dog in doubt then we can make it fit the story.
Just like you saying well maybe heinzl bred him, well maybe he did ,but we do know heinzl never thought much of the dog , and infact thats the first time anyone has ever said that as an excuse for a what if scenario on blind billy, but then
floyd also said he got billy by trading some roosters for him, and theres never been any mention that heinzl ever bred blind billy.
So like most things that dont fit when we try to make them fit they never do fit properly, and like i said with the evidence we have and even being generous on the dates ( which im sure no one would do for mayfield)just for the purpose of this thread , i dont see how an intleigent man can make the leap from what is believable to something that doesnt make realistic sense at all .
Jack with the tombstone dog for example , eventhough i believe baby was his dam as you do,and not based on mayfields own words alone or his overall gut feeling , becasue he himself was never 100% satistisfied enough to breed tombstone
eventhough he was sure baby was the dam, and even with maloney on audio confirming that and then some 5 mins later
changes it to say the gina bitch ,mayfield wouldnt take the chance of breeding him into his family , and then years later
a dogman from arkansas who mayfield didnt know personally but i am sure someone on here will know who he was, called mayfield and during the conversation and he asks mayfiled what he thought about tombstone and if he liked him etc and why he
never shows up in any of mayfields pedigrees, and mayfield tells him that he couldnt for sure get the truth about the dam to satisfy him so
he sold him but with breeding rights just in case he could ever get the truth .Well on hearing that this the man tells mayfield that he was a friend of bob wallace who was a much older man than this fellow, and bob wallace told this man that
when maloney claimed that gina was on his yard whelping tombstone bobs said gina was onn his yard, and mayfield says, well im not surpirsed, that makes sense to me, i never did believe tombstone was out of that gina bitch ,and you telling me that story
about bob wallace confirms that to me, and mayfield then says if bob wallace said that i would believe him , infact i would beleive
just about anything bob wallace had to say , as wallace was known as a very honest and direct man who prided himself on his honesty .Now that is an example of a scenario that although i tend to believe the mayfield gut feeling and wallace scenario,it is more than possible that mayfield could have been wrong and that wallace was mistaken and that maloney
was telling the truth and gina was the dam, there is no conclusive evidence to really prove one theory wrong or one theory right, this one is more a case of piecing the puzzle toggether with the pieces we have and making a decison based on the picture as a whole , but i would be the first to say we will just have to leave it as is and move on as it would be unfair
regardless of gut feeling to just changes it now, so that to me is an example of a reasonable what if scenarios being realistically possible, but not the blind billy story.
I am not trying to convince anyone im just putting it out there, and if we look the evidence without trying to play the what if scenario then of all the dogs that have been talked about so far in this thread , and probably every other dog that will ever be talked about
in a thread like this, i dont think we will ever have more proof about a dog than we do on billy,and even without adding in all the circumstantial and hearsay evidence that we could add to the blind billy and eli story i think just on dobs alone and the known story makes it very hard to say its not true, but if people want to beleive floyds version
or what i believe is the true version thats fine by me , take care .
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