Redboy / jocko has made more dead game dogs !

[Officially Retired]

Often you hear rb blood for game Eli for mouth and so on and so on.

Well, I have another post where I dispute the claim of RB dogs being known for gameness ... at least the ones I have seen (I know there are differences). And they sure as heck aren't very smart, which (to me) is a big drawback.

So can we take from this that the fact that Eli/carver dogs make it into that 6 or more winning group because of their ability to stop shows in shorter orders with the trait of heavier mouths and that often rb blood or Hollingsworth dogs don't see that 6+ show bc of their lack of being able to stop dogs in short order causing them to take on more damage then the Eli/carver dogs do in a single show? Or is that reading between the lines a little too much?

I agree if we can drop the blood line part of the equation. I think the majority of dogs that win 6 or more do several of them in short order, for whatever reason, from whatever the line. Finding a dog who won 6 or more and 4 or 5 of them stretched to the 2 hour and beyond mark would be quite the task.
Two trains of thought, one, the dog is perceived to be low in the proverbial gas tank after several two hour trips, and two, the owner feels less and less confident the dog can continue to go 2 hours time and time again.
I would think most 6 and better dogs had a few quick ones along the way, either they dominated or something quit up under them and things wrapped up in quick order. EWO

That is exactly right IMO ... the HW-type dogs take too much abuse to keep going on and on ... though extremely game, they are a little ponderous, and because they take so much abuse they could only do that so many times. Dogs that win 6 or more times have to be able to really break something down, and/or have to be able to stay out of trouble, and usually both. For example, the Eli/Carver/Hetrick Gr Ch Tornado (while known and celebrated for killing 9 out of 10 dogs she faced) was actually a wizard on defense as well, killing 3 dogs without getting a single hole in her skin. Just think about that: not only being bad enough to kill 3 ... but slick enough to do it without getting touched in return. Yet no one comments on that.

Also, in keeping with this, when "the baddest of the bad" of these respective crosses (RBJ and Eli/Carver) meet each other ... in Epic battles of the Gr Champions vs. Gr Champions, it invariably seems like the Eli/Carver dogs prevail for these reasons. As a recap:

As the RBJ/BT dog Ch Nico fell off to the Eli/Carver Gr Ch IBM ...
As the RBJ Gr Ch Zinc fell off to the Eli/Carver Gr Ch Sampson ...
As the RBJ/BT Ch Glock fell off to the Eli/Carver Gr Ch Da Beast ...
As Yellow's brother Ch Rocko fell off to the Eli/Carver Ch Doogie ...
As the RBJ/BT Ch Noriega fell of to the Carver-bred Gr Ch Ajax ...
As Ch Jocko's brother Ch Argo lost # 5 to the Eli/Carver/Clouse Ch Bumper ...
As Ch Jocko's sister Ch Apples lost to the Eli/Loposay Gr Ch Molly Bee ... etc., etc.

Remember, ALL of these dogs were great dogs, and part of our history, but it sure seems like when the absolute best meets the absolute best of the respective lines, that it's the Eli/Carver dogs which prevail nearly every time.

Honestly, I believe it all boils down to an extra amount of intelligence ... on top of just power ... because "stupid game" (and even "stupid power") will only get you so far.

I really do think that's the difference ... you can almost see the difference in their eyes (aside from reviewing the actual match reports).

To be the best of the best, you have to be bad, yes, and you have to be smart as well

Jack


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