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You have to agree with that, and great point on their first grch was with that auntie/nephew breeding!

Why thank you

Time has shown us, the breeding of auntie/nephew and uncle/niece is when you really get to see a line root itself! Also that breeding way sometimes has a better out come then a father/daughter or mother/son breeding!

Yep. The Yellow/Breaker breeding produced Hardcore's best dog ever Ch Redman. (That is what he told me first hand: Redman was the finest fighting machine he ever had.). In breeding Ch Mystic (Redman/Snowball) back to Felony (Redman's sister), Mike essentially tightened up 3/4 on this best breeding combination ever (Yellow/Breaker) to create Nine Milli (5xW), his only Grand Champion.

Whether Aunt/Nephew or Uncle/Niece is "better" than either father/daughter or mother/son, I don't know about that.
It is similar, but I wouldn't say better, as there have been awesomely talented/prepotent father/daughter and mother/son dogs put out there ...

Bottom line is Hardcore started with a solid family of bulldogs! Maybe someone can tell us why it is that when you do that inbreeding there " if done with a solid family behind them" is when all the magic happens!

Exactly. There is no point on inbreeding on mediocrity

Now i pose the same question to all, Do you do a inbreeding on two very game bums who are outta a very solid family of chest dogs? Both bums are a all over dumb if you will game gotta snuff them out type. If i breed these two bums together will i get what the line is know for or will i have more crazy all over game bums?

I would never, ever, ever inbreed on bums.

You inbreed on GREAT dogs, PREPOTENT dogs, you never inbreed on bums.

You can "use" a bum that is inbred on great dogs ... and get greatness again in doing so ... but if you start inbreeding on "bumness" (lol) ... and you start solidifying those traits ... then pretty soon you will have a yardful of bums

People like Bulldog Historian correctly point out that you need to breed FOR match dogs.
But that doesn't necessarily mean you have to breed TO a match dog to GET a match dog.
A particular dog like Werdo, who is a bum inbred on a GREAT dog, and a great breeding combination, can oftentimes produce great dogs ... as Werdo did.

However, that doesn't mean you start inbreeding on Werdo
You just use him as a tool, but you never want to get sidetracked and start breeding for bums.
The more you start breeding TO bums, the more you start breeding FOR bums.

It's a delicate situation ... and therein lies the paradox ... use the tool, but use it sparingly

Jack your line is know to be tuff head dogs, but now you have a very tuff fight your toe dog and have a niece to this male who is very tuff but all she wants is the left leg. Is it a gamble or based on their family backing you pretty much know that your going to get a Head hunter?

I eventually got to the point I would get rid of dogs for not immediately fighting the head.
They don't have to be aces, but I do not want a leg dog.
I would overlook the first few rolls, as they're just learning, but after they had their bearings, if I saw "a front leg shaker" I would sell it cheap as a "dud" from my program.
It simply was NOT what I wanted.

Silverback never grabbed a front leg in his life. He was on the ear, on the muzzle, or in the throat. Period.
Icon never grabbed a front leg in his life. He was on the ear, or in the throat. Period.
U-Nhan-Rha, never grabbed a front leg in his life. He was on the face, in the mouth, on the ear, or in the throat. Period.

You get what you breed for

Jack