Great post CrazyRed. Thanks for clarifying on Bull's ability, but essentially you confirmed my key points: The dogmen who owned the Queen never bred any sons back to her because "they assumed" that she couldn't produce herself.

I don't have too much time, but wanted to say I appreciate your post and thought I'd make just 2 comments:


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2. they had bred Queen and her powerful barnstorming style to mostly Slick dogs who were all winners and had produced a few dogs. The belief was really that she was just a freak of nature and wouldn’t be able to produce. She shocked and did produce
Translation: They didn't give Queen a chance to produce herself, because they (like so many others) "assumed" The Queen couldn't reproduce herself, and so they didn't inbreed on The Queen and make the attempt to isolate those genes



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The breeding of Bull back to his sisters were the best and when they took daughters off that blood and bred to Bull again were also real good breeding, and Edward also had other dogs off Buck that he bred to Bull and a son of Bucks who was a real good dog and he was bred to some of those daughters to Queen and they produced excellent as well. When they bred those back to Bull the results were unreal. It was Double Buck & Double Queen and the offspring were amazing.
Translation: When they made after-the-fact inbreedings on Bull (who was not the freak, or ace, but a very good dog off of them), some of the genes still inadvertently tightened anyway and demonstrated elevated performance in the pups.

So, like I said, as a breeder of the same line for 25 years, I can tell you that inbreedings WORK if you inbreed on the right dogs.

As good as Bull was, he was neither Buck nor The Queen

Had Bull been bred back to The Queen, I know at least a few of those pups would have been phenomenal.

Had his sister been bred back to Buck, ditto.

My message for the people who breed to Titere is DON'T MAKE THIS MISTAKE and "assume" that inbred Titere pups "won't be good" ... my message is this: if you breed the right daughters back to him, they will be HIS BEST

Jack