Quote Originally Posted by EWO View Post
Great topics. I think a lot can be said to the owners of the 7-8-9 and 10 time winners as well. They leaned a little more toward the money end of the win, or the benefits of winning vs. prolonging a certain line or a certain dog. A person who is purely selling dogs can use 2XW or CH as one of the more successful marketing tools out there. CH is a huge accomplishment and to the unknowing monumental.
This is a great point and rebuttal.

I personally think Stormbringer could have won 10 in the right hands, as not a single dog his size could come close to whipping one side of him (many dogs which later sent out there that won over top dogmen).

Still, my "thinking" Stormbringer could win that many isn't the same as his actually winning that many.

In hindsight, since he went sterile, I should have tried to put him with a good conditioner and just let him do his thing.

However, I did what you mention, tried to breed every bitch I had to him ... and lost everything because he stopped producing pups at 4 years of age



Quote Originally Posted by EWO View Post
No offense nor disrespect intended, but did STP see something that told him Buck did not have 8-9-10 in him? Did Mr. Bass say Molly Bee had done all she could at 8? If the game is about winning and breeders are breeding to make winners, since Bolio was so exceptional, why did he stop at 1? Wouldn't GRCH Honeybunch look better than 4XW CH Honeybunch?
With Buck, his last one probably took all the steam out him, going 3+ hours.

I wouldn't match any dog after it did that.

I think Molly got stolen, and I think Honeybunch quit and then was "re-named" on the match report

Bolio was exceptional, but I am not sure he was 9xW quality. You can only go 2 hours so many times ...



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I have spoken of CH. Angel. She won 3, all RIP. We all asked D. to keep going. We were winning money betting with him and I asked. He says, " I put her down 7 times, 3 RIP in the box, 2 RIP within minutes later, 1 picked up before it became the 6th RIP and your bitch quit". I don't see where she has to do anything else for me". D. was a guy truly, wholeheartedly all about the dogs. The money, the ego, or the notoriety meant nothing to him so I seen his point.
EWO
Again, I totally see this.

However, the flipside is, these are individual examples

There will always be "individual examples" of every bloodline ... dogs that someone says "could have" won 9 ... "if only" ...

The point I am making is, despite THOUSANDS of dogs out there, with EVERY line ... and even with due consideration give to all of the random "if only" individual stories that EVERY line faces ... some of these lines actually produce dogs that STILL manage get actual, living 7-, 8-, and 9xW winners ... quite a few in fact ... while others NEVER DO.

So yeah, many people THINK their dog "might have won" 8-10x ... or have legitimate reasons to retire ... but in some lines real, living 7-9xWs never actually happen ... EVER ... whereas in some lines they do happen, several times.

Which brings us right back to my point