I probably should have included a disclaimer in my initial post on this subject. That would have been right in line with what Jack stated, which is basically that there no absolutes in this business. Some game dogs are lazy, and plenty of curs are working fools. Plenty of less than game dogs that looked really good at home were ruined by a keep though, and that is what I was offering as a possibility to the original post. Now, that could lead us down a new path of how the work is applied. Plenty of great dogs were ruined by a lousy keep too. The difficulty of putting all of the variables together correctly presents such a challenge, that when success is achieved it is deeply satisfying. And that my friends, is how the bulldog addiction works!