Quote Originally Posted by R2L View Post
This is true what you're saying
But I guess you can say when you bring a 9 year old animal to match another gr ch in his prime, you dont even care about a title. The dog deserves it more then any other but goes hand in hand with its owner. A dog who retires after winning 5 could be the less dog but thats how it works in the world. Same with money. Some take it and leave it, some lose all trying to double up. I want to say i respect the people who continue, take challenges and end up losing in the end much more. They have the courage and knowledge to go in many matches with 1 dog and will always be the ones with more credibility no matter what title they been given. Think this can be an endless discussion. There will always be "average"(relatively) dogs with a title and good dogs without unless you judge them individual.

I agree there is a certain sense of the arbitrary when bestowing titles. Why 3 wins, why not 4, to make Champion? Why 5 wins, why not 6, to make Grand Champion?, etc.

Yet, even if we concede the sense of the arbitrary here, there at least should be some order and consistency to it all.

With that said, you still haven't explained the lack of logic here.

If the 3xW keeps his title if he loses, why does the 5xW lose his? Logically-speaking, either both lose their title or neither does.

Logically-speaking, if a 3xW = Champion, and if a 5xW = Grand Champion, then the dogs still remain 3- and 5xWs even if they lose later. The fact that they attained the required number of wins do not change through subsequent loss.

In the end, there simply is no logic in stripping a 5xW for his title, if his owner decides to keep going with him and loses, while you let the 3xW Champion keep his title if he does the same and loses.

Jack