The real question should be for any fancier looking for descendants of any dog, do you want that dog in the pedigree, or do you want the traits from that dog? Many years ago a fellow brought over a male to my place to be evaluated. The dog was sired by the great GR CH Andy Capp right back to his dam Penny Sue. He was shy, only marginally well conformed, and the rankest kind of cur one might have ever the displeasure of witnessing. Subsequently, this fellow sold the dog to some unsuspecting folks, and he now appears in a number of modern day pedigrees. One could have based a whole yard on the dog and peddled them with great success on the merits of the dog's pedigree alone. Although heavy on the Andy Capp breeding in his pedigree, unfortunately this dog had no more to do with the traits of Andy Capp than did the blue bully mongrel down the road. I visited a yard early this week to pick up a 9 year old sire of my breeding. This fellow had some dogs on his yard down from our old Homer III dog. They aren't very tight on the blood, but they sure do carry the traits of the little dog.
As for "working" Andy Capp dogs, there are 5 of these 2 year olds out there from a litter that are all outstanding individuals by every account I have heard from people on both coasts and in Mexico.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=331142
Once again, although these dogs are not "tight" on Andy Capp, I believe they carry the traits he was best known for. I saw the aftermath of one that was set down with one from this breeding, and it will cause one to marvel for certain at the talent level. Traits skip generations, and as near as I can tell based on my 20+ years of maintianing the same family of dogs and watching them evolve, I think 4 generations is about the average skip rate before traits of any ancestor are outwardly manifested or expressed again. Obviously, this is kind of a simplification and there are many more variables at work, but this has been my observation on average with both performance and physical characteristics. Personally, I paid no attention to this breeding above when it was made because the bottom side is not anything I am real crazy about. Once they matured though, I became a big fan. I firmly believe the Andy Capp traits from both sides of the pedigree cropped up in this group. Incidentally, the "cur trait" seems to crop up at the same 4-5 generation interval. Thus the importance of purification of bloodlines so that it becomes less prevalant. I don't think curs can be totally eliminated from a program, but I think one can drastically raise the average gameness of his stock by eliminating curs.
Here is another "working" breeding that I am doing next week that has an Andy Capp base. I wouldn't say these are Andy Capp dogs, but if you want something that is finer than that potlicker who was sired by Andy Capp to his mama of which I referred to above, I can guarantee most of these will grow up to please the discriminating fancier. When one doesn't change up the recipe except to keep adding more goodness, it is pretty easy to predict what the results will be.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=296011
Originally Posted by TFX
The real question should be for any fancier looking for descendants of any dog, do you want that dog in the pedigree, or do you want the traits from that dog? Many years ago a fellow brought over a male to my place to be evaluated. The dog was sired by the great GR CH Andy Capp right back to his dam Penny Sue. He was shy, only marginally well conformed, and the rankest kind of cur one might have ever the displeasure of witnessing. Subsequently, this fellow sold the dog to some unsuspecting folks, and he now appears in a number of modern day pedigrees. One could have based a whole yard on the dog and peddled them with great success on the merits of the dog's pedigree alone. Although heavy on the Andy Capp breeding in his pedigree, unfortunately this dog had no more to do with the traits of Andy Capp than did the blue bully mongrel down the road. I visited a yard early this week to pick up a 9 year old sire of my breeding. This fellow had some dogs on his yard down from our old Homer III dog. They aren't very tight on the blood, but they sure do carry the traits of the little dog.
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