scatter bred v's line bred

[pig mad]

Whats everyones opinions on this?

If you just bred best to best are you always going to get hybrid vigour?

I been told first cross makes best battle dogs?

I been getting help off a fella to get started but once you look at his peds they all scatter bred dogs everything i read makes me dodge scatter breeding.
I am no breeder just interested on thoughts and experiances.
From what i see scatter bred will battle but not produce and if thats right why has this fella been breeding that way for 20 years??

[OGDOGG]

First, you have to look at his track record. Then you look at his opponents. Are they top notch bulldogs?
What I noticed with scattered bred dogs are, they tend to attack everywhere, chest, shoulders, legs. Wherever they can put their mouth on. The good trait they seem to possess is mouth. My hardest biting dogs I have or had in the past were scattered bred dogs. But one trait I didn't like about them was their style. Against other scattered bred dogs they were unstoppable but against a well bred dog, they don't have a chance. I also notice that if you breed scattered bred dogs, you will never know what you'll get. It's like the roll of the dice. It takes too long just to establish a good line with scattered bred dogs.

[pig mad]

His track record is not good i have some good line bred dogs i will stick to what i think is right..

[Black Hand]

There will not be much uniformity with scatter breeding.

If you just bred best to best are you always going to get hybrid vigour?

If you are just breeding best to best there will be no hybrid vigor.
They will not really be hybrids after the first and second cross IMO
You want to concentrate the gene pool and then provide an outcross when necessary.
the new blood into your gene pool is what will provide the hybrid vigor.

This doesn't mean the damage is done though just cuz your good dog is outcrossed to hell.
You can build uniformity and get what you are looking for threw selective breeding.
Your numbers just wont be the same at first... or maybe they will.
Its no telling if a dog will produce himself or not regardless of what the paper says.

Its a gamble either way, your odds are just better with different scenarios.

[pig mad]

Thanks for that.
I just put 1 of his dogs over my bitch she was an out cross his was solid redboy on the bottom but scattered on top she had the pups last night i am thinking of keeping 1 at worst it will make a good pig dog but thought it may mix well with my line bred jeep male if she turns out good. Just the scatter breeding on top made me worry..

[FarmersChoice]

well i was once told all blood lines suck or all blood lines can produce good dogs i think when we talk scatter bred and line bred most dont even no what that means line bred is on a single dog or a single family related to a few special related dogs any way i run my own line now of about 4 different lines and used family related dogs now i am just getting it down and have many years of proving grounds to go but i have a good group guys helping me with my line as well anyway these dogs are all related some were usually i would focus on what ever dogs u like and make your own path with out reinventing the wheel so to speak alot good dogs might be looked at as scater bred but are actually line bred on certain good dogs or dog that the individual breeding the dogs up might find he liked or is working for them some my best ogs were 3 way crosses or 4 way but that dont mean nothing u have to go threw every breeding with a strict culling process involved that doesnt mean u have to put own all those that dont make it just make sure u dont breed it or let some one else now these are just the way i deem things breedings alot luck do what u can to have the best odds like poker

[pig mad]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...reeding_id=122

The breeding is not far from related realy the skull dog is line bred ch bronco and bronco is already there then the redboy is on both sides aswell the only 1 i can't follow is through odens warrior but he was best roll dog of the area at the time. My bitch is outcross from gator blood to banjo cause of stamina but she got plenty of it to if she was still gator not outcross probably look better, Bronco/redboy/?/redboy/banjo/jeep with a splash of redboy and bronco in there already.
Main problem is i dont have room to keep em all and i feel that is whats needed but i have another bitch i am waiting to come in season i am more keen on that litter they are proven and tested all the way the litter that came out last night got a few pig dogs on fathers side wich leaves the doubt.. Just thinking out loud looking for opinions...

[pig mad]

If i keep a bitch and she turns out good i can breed her back to this guy

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...reeding_id=122

he is a red hot young dog always looking for trouble at 7 months old and he is hard to get off when shit hits the fan he loves it

[Black Hand]

Thanks for that.
I just put 1 of his dogs over my bitch she was an out cross his was solid redboy on the bottom but scattered on top she had the pups last night i am thinking of keeping 1 at worst it will make a good pig dog but thought it may mix well with my line bred jeep male if she turns out good. Just the scatter breeding on top made me worry..

No worries. Ideally most would want to use anther inbred dog as an outcross to their linebred dog. But i do not know how much of a difference it makes if it is just being used as an out. Someone with more breeding experience than me might have a better idea. but m uneducated guess would be your scatterbred dog crossed to a linebred dog will add similiar vigor you are looking for when doing a 50/50 cross.

[pig mad]

This breeding was done for the other fella my bitch is lacking nothing she is an out already pretty much just payment to use 1 of his bitchs as out for my sorrells just wondering if it worth the gamble to keep a pup out of this litter. I will keep a bitch out of it i think..