GARNER'S CH DYNOMITE

[Officially Retired]

One very underrated producer was Baileys Bingo. This dog is behind almost all the modern Redboy dogs. Even though he wasn't a rom dog himself, he was able to produce producers and performers for generations that are still very competitive.

I wouldn't say he was underrated, pretty much everyone knows he's important to the Redboy strain.

What it is would be yet another example about how "POR" and "ROM" don't tell the whole story. Also, some dogs produce better when linebred upon than they do as individual stud dogs. My Truman dog threw mostly curs in the 2 breedings I did with him, but when his offspring were bred together (so I doubled-up on Truman) I got all-game (or nearly-all-game) litters.

Sometimes a particular stud dog needs something built around him to really shine as a producer.

Jack

[skipper]

I wouldn't say he was underrated, pretty much everyone knows he's important to the Redboy strain.

What it is would be yet another example about how "POR" and "ROM" don't tell the whole story. Also, some dogs produce better when linebred upon than they do as individual stud dogs. My Truman dog threw mostly curs in the 2 breedings I did with him, but when his offspring were bred together (so I doubled-up on Truman) I got all-game (or nearly-all-game) litters.

Sometimes a particular stud dog needs something built around him to really shine as a producer.

Jack

What I meant that he is very seldom up there with the names of important producers of the breed. Interesting point about Truman.

[Xavier101]

Hi guys.
Just to get something clear, I did not email Tom out of the blue asking 50 questions. I spoke to him for months and sometimes I have to send an email 3 times before he replied.
I want to buy something of his yard but all the good stuff is not for sale, At the end he had a 2 time winner that he gave me a price on including shipping and I accept and ask him how must I go ahead to pay him all the money cash.......and believe it or not I'm still waiting for his reply and it’s now 1 year ago. According to me this was a done deal. This was not the only deal that went wrong, The second deal is: I ask him for semen out of Bolo and he gave me again a price with shipping and I ACCEPT.....again I ask "MR TOM HOW MUST I GO TO PAY YOU NOW, TELL ME CAN I PAY VIA PAYPAL OR HOW DO YOU GET THE MONEY CASH"
And again up to date NO REPLY and its now 8 months ago. So I give up with Mr Tom as his a peddler but once it come to the GOOD stuff your just a number.

I finally bought a young brood bitch from another man and once the deal were through I emailed Tom telling him about this female that I bought and so on, he replied within 10 minutes saying that that female were supposed to be his brood bitch and that his pissed that the guy sold it to me as he would have paid double what I paid for her. He said that the day he sold this female to this guy he made the guy promise him that they will breed together out of her and that he has first option on buying her back. How this guy got hold of the female happened like this: He paid Tom cash for a pup and when time arrived for him to get the pup he drive 8 hours to Tom's house (he were a regular customer) Once on arrival Tom realised that he by mistake sold this man's pup a few days before to someone else and that the pup is now gone. Then this guy was pissed as he drove all the way for nothing and it cost him a lot of money. Then Tom has 2 pups a male and a female that were standing alone one side he ask Tom to give him one of them as he know how they were bred as Tom almost shits his pants and said NO, He showed them other dogs and this man just refuse to take something else and at the end of the day Tom gave up and give him the female and told him that they should breed together as this is supposed to be one of his main brood bitches once she grew up. He that got the papers right away and they were on the road.....And how I got her is another story lol.

I will post her ped now if I can

[Xavier101]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=5353

I hope this way you guys can get it as I still don't know how to post a pedigree.


ADMIN: All you have to do is copy the URL and paste it

[splash747]

made CH on JMK Pretty Boy Floyd (son of Brown's Syco) coming from the bottom at :30 to take control, Floyd on all 4, would not go at 1:05.

[NightBreed]

Tom is a very hard person to deal with and respect. I purchased many dogs off him and like you every trip which is a total of 15 hour drive was a hard one. Every dog I wanted was already sold or not for sale. I got 1 good dog and the other 7 were rank culls. The good dog was the first and cheapest one from him which is why I kept going back. He cursed me out In our first meeting when I asked him about dyno's match times. I used to think Tom was a honest man but lie after lie and insult after insult I would much rather not even own a bulldog then get one from Garner. I also had the opportunity to call Cali Jack. I wish I would have spoke to him long before I called Tom. He was very polite and honest in every conversation we had. Even though I was not able to get a dog from him he still showed me respect. And I respect him for that. I tried not to believe the stories surrounding Tom but when you live through more than one lie you realize that there is much truth to the rumors. From the lies about Bobby Peru to the lies about my male and his breeding I cant see why anyone would pay that much money to a ungrateful prick for a lifetime of confusion regarding your dogs pedigree. Every dog I bought based on the traits and qualities of the line were total opposite of what it should have been. If your planning on getting a chinaman dog my advice to you is look for someone who has good ones from Tom and get a pup from them. Your chances will be higher in getting a dog that your looking for.

[FrostyPaws]

What I meant that he is very seldom up there with the names of important producers of the breed. Interesting point about Truman.

He's seldom up there, in this day and age, because so many people think producer equates to number of champions produced, which is just complete bullshit. A dog's production record is built around the entire picture, not just a few dogs here and there throughout it's life. Bingo has been up there as an important dog in the breed for decades with people that actually care about a dog's actual production. Too much emphasis is put on the ROM list which is simply a record of champions produced. It's not an actual list built around production.

Bingo was one of the most important dogs of the last 30 years, and there simply is no denying that no matter what.

[erik440]

If anyone's looking for chinaman stuff why not get it from Mr Romeo the actual owner of chinaman

[erik440]

Plus he has reasons to be careful Mr garner he had a lot of heat on his area plus he already was recorded once I doubt he wants to be in a national show again Luke he was many years ago

[bulldogsrus]

From the lies about Bobby Peru .

What lies about Bobby Peru?