levels of gameness.

[EWO]

it is really hard to put a timer on it. All dogs that go over an hour are not necessarily game. The opposing dog may have never taken him to the point where there was a decision to be made, do i go? or do I stay? One of the phrases I hate in these dogs is giving a dog props by saying he/she curred another one out. I don't really think any one particular animal can make another quit, or find the cur if the cur is not there. I believe in the level of gameness theories so that particular dog was going to quit regardless of who got him to his decision making point. Maybe it is a play on words, but I believe the better the opponent the faster he will get there. But if that dog is game, it does not matter the quality of the opponent, he will always be there. The key is when he is deemed game enough by the owner, whether he is picked up or whether he is left down hoping the higher class animal quits on top. EWO

[TFX]

Historically the term "pit game" was used to describe a dog who had demonstrated enough gameness to be shown, but was then eventually shown to be less than deep game in the pit.

[Officially Retired]

Well put big guy! Wake em up.....

Thank you.

[No Quarter Kennel]

They will all quit. Everyone of them. It's just finding the exactly what it is, that will make them quit. Now that's not my intention, but in any combative contest, that SHOULD be the agenda. Find what it is that will make your opponent quit....thus - winning. Long story short, there are degrees/levels of gameness.

I got to spend quite a bit of time with the legendary Danny Burton. He said something one time that I really liked. "I ain't here to find out how game MY dog is. We're here to find out how game YOUR dog is." That's the winning mentality.

Nothing will quit a dog faster than heat and the inability to breath.

[R2L]

So what do you think about gameness related to maturity?

Would a 16 month old fully started dog show the same (level of) gameness as the same dog 2 years later in the same situation?

[Officially Retired]

So what do you think about gameness related to maturity?
Would a 16 month old fully started dog show the same (level of) gameness as the same dog 2 years later in the same situation?

That is a great point.

Gameness varies within EACH individual dog ... at different ages ... in different states of health ... and against different opponents/challenges/sets of circumstances.

People try to make gameness so "cut and dry," but it really is a complex trait and subject that warrants more chin-rubbing than most people are willing to give it.

Jack

[CRISIS]

I wanna know who that is in R2L's avatar! Lol

[pig mad]

Its hard to read his comments my eyes keep wandering to the left i love pizza..

[FarmersChoice]

i have to say this comes to a matter of opinion for me as i think some dogs will never quit or no dog could ever prove that to be false so maybe that is were degrees play in
never the less i have a saying your not at the squared hunt to test your gameness u are there to win

[TFX]

i have to say this comes to a matter of opinion for me as i think some dogs will never quit or no dog could ever prove that to be false so maybe that is were degrees play in
never the less i have a saying your not at the squared hunt to test your gameness u are there to win

Some dogs have proven they will never quit..........ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY. On another day with different injuries, different biochemistry, different duration of a contest, who really knows?

You have to respect the ones who have come close to death's door and still showed no indication of their head or heart going in the wrong direction. I have owned more than my fair share of that kind and seen many others, and I am proud of each one like that who represents the breed so well. That trait, gameness, is the essence of the American Pit Bull Terrier.

Here is a piece of an account sent to me by a fancier showed a dog I bred. I think he captures the admiration we all have for a game dog very well.

"The second to last scratch ____________ got a standing ovation by everyone in attendance, because he came over on wrecked front legs but even faster then before! And then at :59 he went to the kidneys up to his molars, and by 1:03 the other dog was balling up in his corner facing us sideways. On ________'s courtesy, all busted up, he scratched the hardest of the night, slammed into the throat and the crowd went nuts. All in all he showed awesome gameness, super intelligence, great conditioning, never got frustrated, got stronger the longer it went, and turned everyone into a ___________ FAN."