the earliest i ws aware of i believe was written by gaboon trahan?? tahnks for posting TFX.....although....the rule of " a dog not needing to take hold onto a dead dog"...this is where im confused....is a dead dog considered the same as a "down" dog or does the dog need to be literally lifeless? before this rule is in effect?
oh damn black, i thought this was new too! lol
i feel a dog should be aloud to hesitate as long at the end of ten it gets there. sometimes dogs are literally out on there feet. and needs to catch its bearings being grabbed rushed back to a corner turned around and let go with a dog who is injured can cause confusion, now if he does hesitate due to injury and tries to cross i would then pick up said dog the rules are there to allow the dog s to stop if they want to but so is his handler and the handler should have the dogs best interest at heart
Allow me to take the other side of the coin, thoughOriginally Posted by bolero
We must keep in mind that the point of any contest is to win a fight without losing either dog. With that in mind, we must also keep in mind that any "separation" of dogs for a scratch is an artificial interruption of a fight. Therefore, if upon separation, and after a count of 30 in the corner, any dog is still so fugged-up that it can't cross the line, then the fight should be stopped then and there IMO.
The other dog won, fair and square, and there at least is some chance to save the dog that's still too messed-up to go immediately after a thirty-second rest.
Quite frankly, the argument can be made that there should be no "30-second count" at all, but an immediate release after separation, and if any dog can't respond in time then the other dog who rendered him senseless is the winner.
Jack
Yes, and Trahan was around in the 20's. It is my understanding when Bob Hemphill went down there to Louisiana in the 20's he was instrumental in helping the local Cajuns hammer out these rules. Gaboon Trahan got the credit for writing them, but it was really a collaborative effort in capturing the way they had been doing dogs down there since the time of the Lightners and before.
Dogs are very much allowed to hesitate on a scratch. They're allowed to jump the box, run and turn their ass around at the last second. Dogs are allowed to do whatever they want on a scratch because we, as owners, have zero control on what they're going to do. Any handler with any eye can plainly differentiate when a dog is out on it's feet, or whatever vernacular you want to use, as opposed to looking for a legitimate way out. I can't honestly say I've ever seen a dog become confused due to being handled and taken back to a corner. Once you consider that happens a lot in the schooling process, or it should, there shouldn't be any confusion on the dog's part on what's going on at that moment.
While I can empathize with the dog's plight, I'm not going to try and make up excuses to try and satisfy some inner justification to keep a dog that may simply not be able to cut that mustard.
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