"I am not betting on his 'being game,' I am betting on him winning."
~Earl Tudor
"I am not betting on his 'being game,' I am betting on him winning."
~Earl Tudor
That's what its all about. At least in a show. In a breeding program its a different story.
Its always about winning. Many styles all have it own charm; It's amazing to see some dogs still go after 3 houres, in shock or after taking serious beatings but what's the worth of gameness when your dog is being killed in 30 minutes.
Sounds like the perfect gambler's delight to me!
No truer words have ever been spoken. Remember the dogs were bred for one thing. And that competition requires one winner and one loser. The winner can be the biggest POS on the planet, yet he is the winner. The loser may be the gamest dog that ever lived, but he can still be a loser. Like Frosty Paws said I have seen winning dogs I would not feed and seen losing dogs I have tried to buy pit side.
Had a bitch once. All night game, pretty good ability, mouth was average at best. At thirty minutes it was obvious we were out-mouthed and it would not end well. We had seen some signs early that we were on a rough cur. Held on for ten more minutes but decided to pick up. We saved a really good bitch that went on to produce some nice dogs. The other dog was bought pit side for $$$$$$. When asked, and only because I was asked, I said I believe the bitch didn't have ten more minutes in her but I didn't bring enough to get there. I was called a hater as well. The $$$$ was brought back out six months later and packed it in in 20 minutes. The bottom line is winning does not mean better, but it still means winning. EWO
Originally Posted by CA Jack
Last edited by EWO; 01-10-2013 at 01:57 PM. Reason: s
This ^^
The only dog like that I would even bring again would be a snapping turtle of a dog. Turning, running, squealing dogs? Nope. I don't care what they did in between the times where they weren't running, turning, or squealing. Ch.Justice was that type of dog, except he also snapped the opponent into oblivion. It was horrible to watch. It's one of those things where you just know if you had a little better dog, you could get him outta there. The only problem was that Justice, aside from all his qualities I hated, was one durable SOB. When he was in the corner, he was hopping fuckin mad to go, so he would just shoot across and nail you on the face/head area.
I can't take anything away from the dog, but I sure do hate that sumbitch!
hahha frosty this reminds me of when me and u were discussing gr ch tornado u said that bitch had to be a cur she won 10 strait lol
I guess i like the idea of the gamblers delight but I also like the warm fuzzies thinking my partner is going to keep going and going. Had a bitch once that was as talented as all get out, a lot of mouth, and could position herself to deliver and not receive. She was a thing of beauty. She made all her scratches. But not one of them convinced anyone she would make the next. It was slow ( I always wanted to say methodical, but methodical would say I saw some intent) with no indication she would make it all the way. We slow counted her, held her in the corner for long counts, nothing changed. She would just make a casual stroll across and take hold, and ramp it up from there. We won one with her for just a few pennies and she ended up being a fair producer. I think she had more heart than I did confidence or maybe she had more confidence than I had heart. Never figured it out. EWO
Interesting post, EWO, and a very honest one as well.
I think many dogmen operate out of their own fears & insecurities. We all want a "sure thing," meaning a dog that will never let us down. I personally hate bad signs also. But a dog that just trots a scratch is often just a confident, easy-going animal.
I would be far more satisfied with a rock-solid winner that only trotted its scratches than I would be with a winner that turned, snapped, etc.
Jack
if the dog never quits, calling him a cur is only speculation. no different than suggesting anything that has never happened no matter how likely it may seem. if it hasn't quit, that's the facts weather you like how he acts or not.
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