Conditioned Cur

[FrostyPaws]

if the dpog wins and does not quit it is nit a cur u can speculate all day and say he will cur but that is like saying all dogs will quit when dead game dogs dont and we can not bring them back to find out

It's nothing like saying all dogs will quit. If you think a dog will quit, you can find out at a later date, if you so choose. You can't bring the dead back to life to prove anything.

[FrostyPaws]

Strictly-speaking, concerning the nature of knowledge vs. belief, what you describe isn't "knowledge" at all; it's belief. Even justified belief.

The simple truth is, if you did not see a dog quit, then you do not "know" the dog would have quit, you merely have very strong (even justified) belief that the dog would quit.

I myself have seen a ton of dogs that I was 100% sure that they would have quit, and I may have been right, but my strong beliefs were not "knowledge" either; they were merely very strong, justifiable beliefs.

Only when the dog actually stops, and confirms the justifiable beliefs that we have, do those beliefs then get upgraded to true KNOWLEDGE.

Jack

Correct. I mistyped my terminology, which does happen at times.

[Officially Retired]

Correct. I mistyped my terminology, which does happen at times.

You mean misstated

[FrostyPaws]

Mistyped, misstated...Missed SOMETHING...

[Black Hand]

I think what frosty is saying is he does not like to feed dogs that make those signs, weather they have quit or not. I think most people can attest to that but it can be harder to see for some when they love or think the world of their dog.

[FrostyPaws]

That is correct BH. Having fed dogs that did that kind of thing for some years, I found that more times than not those particular dogs hung it up, and they looked very shitty doing it. Again, it comes down to what a person can live with. Some people can live with funky acting, turning, cur snapping, and squealing dogs. I, on the other hand, cannot.

[EWO]

Very true. Like I mentioned earlier we lost to one just like that and she was bought pit side for $$$$. I was told I was hatin' when I said she was a cur looking for a spot to check up. I guess I was misspoken/misstated or did not explain there was a difference between actual fact and what I believed. I said she was a cur. But, like in a lot of cases, freak mouth hides a lot if that is all one is seeing. We got bit down, felt we had a solid game dog, picked up and she produced a couple for us some years later. The dog I was hatin' on checked up in a matter of minutes on her next venture. Just seeing her that one night for forty or so minutes I thought she would cur, thought she was a cur or she had cur tendencies. Any of these would make me not want to feed her. EWO

That is correct BH. Having fed dogs that did that kind of thing for some years, I found that more times than not those particular dogs hung it up, and they looked very shitty doing it. Again, it comes down to what a person can live with. Some people can live with funky acting, turning, cur snapping, and squealing dogs. I, on the other hand, cannot.

[YELLOWJOHN]

HATERS HATE WHATS NEW?

[EWO]

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HATERS HATE WHATS NEW?

[Officially Retired]

Very true. Like I mentioned earlier we lost to one just like that and she was bought pit side for $$$$. I was told I was hatin' when I said she was a cur looking for a spot to check up. I guess I was misspoken/misstated or did not explain there was a difference between actual fact and what I believed. I said she was a cur. But, like in a lot of cases, freak mouth hides a lot if that is all one is seeing. We got bit down, felt we had a solid game dog, picked up and she produced a couple for us some years later. The dog I was hatin' on checked up in a matter of minutes on her next venture. Just seeing her that one night for forty or so minutes I thought she would cur, thought she was a cur or she had cur tendencies. Any of these would make me not want to feed her. EWO

Very true statement--and well said.

Can't begin to tell you how many "hard mouth wonders" have quit to my "no-mouth" dogs over the years