Conditioned Cur

[EWO]

Jack, I have seen it that way a number of times as well. Many a dog has checked up for the simple reason this one did not fold like the others did. It is basic math in a lot of ways. Since more dogs quit than do not, the longer two are together the odds of one of them quitting multiply with each passing minute. So when one has one that will stay the odds of him winning increase dramatically for that simple reason alone. And as simple as this is, there have been tons of people and will continue to be tons of people who are totally taken by the bone crusher. So taken, that the bone crusher screamed out long the way he had no plans of hanging around for very long and no one heard him. Or worse, they heard him and thought his 30 minutes of hell will be more than he would ever need.

[Officially Retired]

Jack, I have seen it that way a number of times as well. Many a dog has checked up for the simple reason this one did not fold like the others did. It is basic math in a lot of ways. Since more dogs quit than do not, the longer two are together the odds of one of them quitting multiply with each passing minute. So when one has one that will stay the odds of him winning increase dramatically for that simple reason alone. And as simple as this is, there have been tons of people and will continue to be tons of people who are totally taken by the bone crusher. So taken, that the bone crusher screamed out long the way he had no plans of hanging around for very long and no one heard him. Or worse, they heard him and thought his 30 minutes of hell will be more than he would ever need.

The "bone crusher" is always nullified by the dog that fixes it so there's nothing to bite ... and that is tough enough to handle it when he does get bit.

It's the same physical set of rules that allowed Mohammed Ali to outclass, outhustle, and outsmart all of the hardest punchers in heavyweight history. Liston, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle, etc. all "hit harder" than Ali, but none of them had Ali's overall speed, timing, reflexes, and intelligence.

I would take a smart, fast, total athlete all-day everyday over a "great biter."

Most SUPER-Grand Champions are not freak biters at all; they are consummate, all-around athletes

Jack

[EWO]

Very true. Ali is a very good analogy as well. Even to hear Foreman say he was the 'dope' in the rope-a-dope speaks volumes. Tyson speaks to this as well. Mike Tyson could punch no harder later in life than he could in the beginning. With D'Amato with him he fought smart. He was in shape. He moved. He did not get hit. Upon the loss of D'Amato he was a freak puncher who did nothing more. For a short time the freak punching, as well as the reputation of being a freak puncher, hid the eroding skills (maybe not eroding but skills not used, not being mentally prepared). It finally caught up with him and he faded into nothing more than a punch line for lots of people. This may be another topic altogether but in a lots of cases it is the man behind the dog that gets things done. EWO

[DryCreek]

He has not quit he won 4 in the midwest then was sold to some guys down south and won 2 more. (i just verified this) imo the ability to stay out of trouble from the hog is smart not cur.

The dog in question sounds to me like a dog that is not only focused but Game.Most dogs go all out and then quit. I like the dogs that can step with those fucken barnstormers and then kill them when they run out of gas.that's a real dog
Ch Rocky Ch Trey 2xer Slick dog all methodical dogs that knew what they wanted. Just takes abit of time.

[Officially Retired]

The dog in question sounds to me like a dog that is not only focused but Game.Most dogs go all out and then quit. I like the dogs that can step with those fucken barnstormers and then kill them when they run out of gas.that's a real dogCh Rocky Ch Trey 2xer Slick dog all methodical dogs that knew what they wanted. Just takes abit of time.

That is exactly the kind of dog that I like ... always have, always will

[EWO]

Exactly. Tapping back to another post it is a team sport. I like the athletic and smart game dog because then my conditioning efforts make a good contribution to the team. By him being athletic we can work him to be physically capable of handling the first wave. With his intelligence he will position himself to counter that first wave. The combination of the two will allow him to lay some pipe immediately after the first wave and continue to lay some pipe before the next. The athleticism and physicality after the first wave will decrease the height and strength of the second wave. This builds a lead. The secondary effect from this is the other dog grabs another gear to catch up. From there the amount of time his keep has made available to him in the beginning begins to decrease. He is somewhere really close to panic effort. Panic effort always burns more gas. The smart and athletic dog offsets this barrage as well. When the barrage fades that lead is increased and continues to increase as one dog fades and the athleticism (as well as the keep) takes over. The gap between the two widens with every passing minute. Credit seldom goes to this winning dog. Mostly because he did not bite shit in half at minute one. Partly because smarts and intelligence is always the underdog in comparison to mouth. When a dog uses smarts and intelligence to win there is always ten guys pit side with one at home that can beat him. If the destroyer mops the floor with one few have one for him. Just the way I have seen it. EWO

[FarmersChoice]

thats some what true ewo there is always one that thinks they have that counter style or maybe not style but just think they have the perfect dog to beat that one every hunt can have a different out come even if u do a keep the same way with 2 different dogs the out come can change in a mater of many different ways im sure we all like the dog that seems unbeatable in the woods but fact is thats just not the norm aces like that pop up once in awhile and them aces usually are not gonna produce them selves cause there a ace aka once in a life time dog but hellif you have one that will do it all then no need for anything else probly lol but anyway what i like to see is a winning styly one that gets it done i dont care how if that dog can make the hunt time and time again im gonna use him if he keeps coming home that a good one