Seen a few go, a guy had a couple of them 5 or 6 he supposedly got from VJ and a guy VJ sent him to.. He bred them and showed a bunch of the ones down off them, had some good ones. All were strong as an ox, only a few showed heart. If they got under you though they could ruin, wreck or kill one very quick. I was working a VJ x Redboy dog for a friend, he showed good for him, put in him shape and put him on something that started fast like him, he didnt like it at all then decided to stop under 30. All the ones I seen quit off that stuff, quit in under 30. The other ones were game as the day is, still bit hard but seem more smart in their movement and paced themselves.