Cottens Bullet blood how much is around in 2013 ?

[CYJ]

The last older dog breeder of my era. That had some of the last Bullet bred line from Lopassay. Was F.Jacobs and his friend Carter. Believe this Bullet line was bred into their Assasin I/II/III family of dogs.

A good friend of mine A. Howle had one of the last heavy bred Bullet Stud dogs that came from Mr. Shivar. The dog's name was Sambo. Sambo was a very nice looking well built Black dog. His former owner was McDougal from Florida. Think Sambo was a Champion dog as well. This dog was up in age.

A.Howle bought Sambo in hopes of breeding him to his Howel's (Martin's Lady) and his Howel's Buckshot dog to his Lady bitch. He wanted to blend the two lines off Lady. Howle had no luck with Sambo but did get some pups off Buckshot. Buck Shot was a sibling brother to Watkin's OX dog.

Ozzie Stevenson had some Bullet breeding in his line of dogs way back. W. Cable and some other N.C, dog men did also. Mr. Teal had two very nice looking black with white marking bitches on his yard. Was told they had Bullet breeding in them. Any Bullet breeding would be way back in most pedigrees today.

Bullet was another controversial dog like the Red Boy dog. No one was ever quite sure on his true pedigree. So most of the Bullet line started with Bullet. One of the very best breedings off Bullet was to Egan Skinner's/Plemmon's Lightner dogs.

Two of them being Teal's Tip and Teal's Susie-Que. Right before Mr. Skinner moved to Charleston S.C. There was a flash flood in his area and all of his best dogs got drowned. That was around 40 years ago.

[realpitsnobull]

Dang, good info cyj

[CYJ]

You are welcomed. Jacobs knew Lopassay on a first hand bases and got dogs from him. The heavy bred Bullet dog was Ray Carter's Blackie. Note on Blackie's bottom side of Pedigree. The Bitch called Howell's AKA Martin's Lady. Note the Bullet breeding in just Her line. That Shivar's Rock should read Shivar's Rook. Unless Rock was Rook's sibling. The older original pedigrees I saw showed Shivar's Rook with same pedigree shown on the on lines ped site.

Lady was owned by W.Martin in Dillion S.C. Martin had a lot of Lopassay dogs himself. Martin was the original owner of the Tramp Red Boy dog. He had Red Boy till he was getting close to over a year old or so. A.Howle later bought Lady from Martin and maybe the Buckshot dog as well.

Lady was a mostly a black bitch with some white markings. One of the female pups off Howell's Buckshot and Howell's (Martins Lady) was bought by Snakeman. That bitch is shown in his dogs and Fat Bill's dogs.

Carter's Blackie fought V.Jackson and Cook's Thora down to a 3:09 hour match. Was a lot of scratches back and forth in that dog pull event. Carter finally conceded and picked up to save a deep game well bred dog. Was a wise move on his part.

I might be wrong but Carter may have did a lot of the conditioning for Jacobs. Carter was a good dog man and could put one in shape to stay awhile. Carter was a very friendly and well mannered man to sit and talk with. I always enjoyed my trips to see Jacobs and the dog men in that part of the country. Enjoyed talking with Mr. B. Miller about his Palidan x Red Boy crosses.

[evolutionkennels]

Yeah. Frank could put one in shape. Machobuck whioped frank for his 3 rd, traveling 22 hours to franks backyard. I remember when we exited the vehicle, he said, "damn, you kids look like decent people, are you sure yall are dogmen? " he showed us a picture of Machobuck that was on peds online and asked if that was the dog. We said yes, and he said, "he sure is a pretty sob, im gonna hate to kill him." We laughed it off and told him that we didnt travel 24 hours with an earsucker. We told him we were gonna do the job in less than 30. He replied that he would cull his whole yard if we could do that. Well, the rest is history, the time was 28 minutes, and he didn't cull his yard. Hehe. Anyway, frank is a good man. His wife cooked us a good dinner, he has a beautiful daughter. We went back again in 6 weeks to do Machobuck for #4, and we couldn't get a bet anywhere, well, we found out later, frank had bet everyone in the state. Rumor has he won 40 big ones betting on Machobuck. Nobody thought Machobuck could pull it off given he was shown 6 weeks prior. We made a measly 3. Yeah, Frank made his money back, and then some . Anyway, the best compliment to date that i ever received from anyone was from Frank. He said "The two best dogs i ever saw in my life were Buck and Machobuck. This from a 40 year dogman that hosted the buck vs sandman show. Anyhow, machobuck won #5 eight weeks later, back to back to back, 3 matches in 14 weeks, and Frank and I haave been friends ever since

[realpitsnobull]

Don't seem like much bullet blood around anymore so in y'all opinion do y'all like the old school blood if u can find it with names like loposay,Edwards,woods,halls,wilders etc real dog men who really worked there dogs in those action days or are y'all fine with the new blood. I myself am a old school guy I wnt the stuff that made the new school if I can I feel those line will have a higher % of hot pups in my experience. What do y'all think? P.S I rather not hear the paper hanging talk to me that's for people that do not have the names on there paperwork to fuss about if I had a nickel for everytime some one said that about a number of dogs we wld all be rich lol!!

[EWO]

Great post. I didn't realize 3-4 & 5 were so close.

Yeah. Frank could put one in shape. Machobuck whioped frank for his 3 rd, traveling 22 hours to franks backyard. I remember when we exited the vehicle, he said, "damn, you kids look like decent people, are you sure yall are dogmen? " he showed us a picture of Machobuck that was on peds online and asked if that was the dog. We said yes, and he said, "he sure is a pretty sob, im gonna hate to kill him." We laughed it off and told him that we didnt travel 24 hours with an earsucker. We told him we were gonna do the job in less than 30. He replied that he would cull his whole yard if we could do that. Well, the rest is history, the time was 28 minutes, and he didn't cull his yard. Hehe. Anyway, frank is a good man. His wife cooked us a good dinner, he has a beautiful daughter. We went back again in 6 weeks to do Machobuck for #4, and we couldn't get a bet anywhere, well, we found out later, frank had bet everyone in the state. Rumor has he won 40 big ones betting on Machobuck. Nobody thought Machobuck could pull it off given he was shown 6 weeks prior. We made a measly 3. Yeah, Frank made his money back, and then some . Anyway, the best compliment to date that i ever received from anyone was from Frank. He said "The two best dogs i ever saw in my life were Buck and Machobuck. This from a 40 year dogman that hosted the buck vs sandman show. Anyhow, machobuck won #5 eight weeks later, back to back to back, 3 matches in 14 weeks, and Frank and I haave been friends ever since

[CYJ]

Ray Carter had the Blackie dog. You can pull him up and all the other dogs on the on line peds site. May can here also. Not quite figured out how to use our pedigree search engine on this site.

It was the R.Carter's Blackie dog that carried the heavy Bullet line breeding. Carter bred Blackie to his Meanie bitch and to Jacobs hog dog bitch. It was crossed with Yellow John Red Boy dogs and Yellow John Red Boy and the Boze dog that was a brother to J. Johnson's Rage bitch.

It could be possible R.Carter has kept a straight line of those Bullet line bred dogs. I do not know how to contact him. Some one else may. Any other Bullet breeding would be 12 or more generations back. Unless heavy line bred in all generations would have little influence in a dog today. Would be just another brick in the wall.

[realpitsnobull]

Ray Carter had the Blackie dog. You can pull him up and all the other dogs on the on line peds site. May can here also. Not quite figured out how to use our pedigree search engine on this site.

It was the R.Carter's Blackie dog that carried the heavy Bullet line breeding. Carter bred Blackie to his Meanie bitch and to Jacobs hog dog bitch. It was crossed with Yellow John Red Boy dogs and Yellow John Red Boy and the Boze dog that was a brother to J. Johnson's Rage bitch.

It could be possible R.Carter has kept a straight line of those Bullet line bred dogs. I do not know how to contact him. Some one else may. Any other Bullet breeding would be 12 or more generations back. Unless heavy line bred in all generations would have little influence in a dog today. Would be just another brick in the wall.

Well my blood is in the 7th and offspring in the 6th line bred 75% http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...&dog_id=141320 all but long legged Sally !

[realpitsnobull]

Well my blood is in the 7th and offspring in the 6th line bred 75% http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...&dog_id=141320 all but long legged Sally !

Sorry this is it KING http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=16009

[evolutionkennels]

Ray Carter had the Blackie dog. You can pull him up and all the other dogs on the on line peds site. May can here also. Not quite figured out how to use our pedigree search engine on this site.

It was the R.Carter's Blackie dog that carried the heavy Bullet line breeding. Carter bred Blackie to his Meanie bitch and to Jacobs hog dog bitch. It was crossed with Yellow John Red Boy dogs and Yellow John Red Boy and the Boze dog that was a brother to J. Johnson's Rage bitch.

It could be possible R.Carter has kept a straight line of those Bullet line bred dogs. I do not know how to contact him. Some one else may. Any other Bullet breeding would be 12 or more generations back. Unless heavy line bred in all generations would have little influence in a dog today. Would be just another brick in the wall.

Wrecking crew kennels has the champion bullet blood tight through champion bullshit. He has tons on ice.