When u buy a dog who dog it really is

[widerange]

It's not as simple as that Unknown. I've sold maybe 10 dogs in my life. I don't even know how many I've given away. As the breeder of those dogs, I always wanted the dog to succeed. If the dog didn't make the cut, then I wanted it to be the dog's fault, not the owners. As the breeder, I stayed in touch with the owner of said dogs just to keep up to date with the progress and offer any advice that I thought would benefit the owner and the dog. Since I'd bred those dogs, some for a few generations, and I knew the lineage personally for 4-6 generations on some dogs, I have insight that would do nothing but HELP. That is where the frustration and anger sets in. I am telling the owner what to look for, what not to do at certain times because I KNOW those dogs. When an owner will go ahead and do something that is outright detrimental to the dog's development even AFTER being told it's detrimental, then the owner is just a complete fucktard.

The breeder of the dog is simply looking out for the dog's best interest and trying to help the owner. The owner doesn't give a shit about what the breeder says, nor does he care about the dog. All he cares about is trying to match dogs, but what his dumbass doesn't realize that putting your dog behind the 8 ball from the onset simply does nothing but put you in a hole, and that's a hole you won't come out of if your dog is opposed by a quality opponent.

That is why I don't sell dogs to the GP, and I only give dogs to people I know and trust. The GP of dogdom are just
some fuckin idiots, whether they're from the city, the country, have law degrees, or work in a convenience store. 98% of them are dumber than a box of hammers, and simply don't deserve to own any dog that I, or anyone else, has ever bred.

It's good to know that a breeder out there is putting his dogs in good hands and caring what happens to them later on but if your selling your stock and offering info that's not being took to heart maybe you you select better buyers to sale to or don't sale pups only sale dogs that are of age and ready that way you have already done what your suggesting to the buyer to do? Going by what your saying if you own a car/truck then I'm sure you follow the owners manual to the tee right? Since they are the ones that built the car and should know everything to do with it after you own it. Such as use premium gas and 5-20 w oil or do you use what you think is best since your the one with it everyday and know that one on a personal level

[widerange]

Mmmmm, that's not giving enough credit to the breeder. That's like saying the race car driver is more important than being in a truly world class race car. The best driver is worth nothing without a good car to sit in. Thus THE AUTO MAKER is the most important, then the driver.

Sure, a lousy driver can crash a great car, but even a ho-hum driver can still compete and "go fast" if he's sitting in a truly-fast car to begin with ... while even the best driver in the world can't do shit sitting inside a Toyota Corolla

THE most important part of any race is a truly world class car ... from there, what matters are the drivers, but ALL OF THEM (win or lose) need a world class car FIRST in order to be in the running to compete. Because, in a good car, even so-so divers are still going awful damn fast

Back to this, any retard with a great dog can still crash and burn with his stupidity at the helm of greatness, but plenty of novices with great dogs (who have them in halfway decent shape) have beaten great dogmen with just "pretty good" dogs ...

Jack

Your right any bum with a top end car can race he can go fast but this is about winning. Top class race cars will never press the gas, shift, take a turn or enter a e.t with out a drive and I have seen many vw bugs with top drivers win on Saturday night at the drag strip against top end drag cars with shitty drivers because they knew what to do and how to do it from enter the e.t to watching the tree

[Officially Retired]

There's no doubt quality driving is where the cream of the crop is ... true ... but my point is, it only matters once we're talking about getting world class VEHICLES under those drivers, which depend on the manufacturer

[canismajor]

definitely team effort, but it starts with quality stock. then good coaching, and discipline. i agree with c. j. i give props to the breeders. the rest of us would not be here if it wasnt for them. high quality breed.

[widerange]

I'm not saying that breeders out there are not needed or do not deserve credit I'm simply saying when it comes to winning the breeders derserves no credit outside of making the breeding that produced happen. Fords build car but they don't tune them or race them. But my main point is this the owners win/lose records reflex on him and only him the breeder you often only hear about the winning side of that record so they have less involved less input and less on the line over all which entitles them to less credit for winning

[canismajor]

you can lead a donkey to water but you cant make him drink.not the dogs fault

[Nash]

I would try and get a few other dogs from that breeder. Thing is that giving credit does not take away from credits earned. I dont see the problem.

[CrazyRed]

If you dont want to give credit to the man that bred and gave or sold you that winning dog, what kind of person are you? Everybody knows that you raised a pup or bought a prospect and schooled or just hooked and won with him, but you did not breed him and chances are that you couldnt breed your own to begin with. Chances are that the winner you got might throw you a few more but if you go dog for dog with the breeder he probably beats you easily. STP was a great combine that could beat anybody in the world but as breeders, I'd say Boudreaux, Boyles, Hollingsworth, Tant, Victor etc outdone them in breedings.

[FrostyPaws]

Widerange, I'm not a breeder such as Jack or Evo. All of what I described is why exactly I've only sold a handful of dogs over the years. I decided to keep them myself, do them the correct way, and be satisfied with what I have from there on out. That way, there is no ruination of the dogs I breed.

Winning and losing reflects on the person showing the dog AND the breeder.

[Officially Retired]

When a the typical blowhard wins, he likes to take all the credit himself.
When the typical blowhard loses, he likes to put all the blame on the dog (and the breeder).

When a good dogman wins, he tends to thank the breeder for the good dog ... and the breeder tends to thank the good dogman for doing the dog right.

Funny how that works out ...

Jack