What is the biggest difference in RBJ families such as Termite, Waccamaw, & Tant?
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What is the biggest difference in RBJ families such as Termite, Waccamaw, & Tant?
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This is where your Wright's Coefficient pedigree study would help. Sadly no one knows for sure how Red Boy was bred so throws the study off. If one wishes to go with what is shown.
In a 13 generation study the Termite dog hits the key dog Tudor's Dibo 171 times. Waccamaw's Big John in a 13 generation hits the key dog Colby's Dime 163 times. Tant's Yellow dog in the 13 generation hits the key dog Colby's Rifle 80 times.
So Tant and Waccamaw dogs are more similar bred dogs.
Termite is a little less similar due to more Dibo breeding from the Hank dog and Lonzo dogs. Powell bred more to the Hank side of the line with added Lonzo blood from Chavis Black Beauty and the other two dogs appear to carry more Red Boy.
In the end to me, they all look similar to the older big Jim Williams type dogs which carried a lot of Colby-Red Nose Lightner.
I got a similar question from Black Hand in a private P.M. I did mention to Black Hand that Mr. Teal & Mr. Mc Cloud had no problems with the pedigree given on Tramp Red Boy and his siblings. Seems some other dog persons did not.
Some dog persons did not like the first UKC breeding shown on J. Carver's Sachmo dog. I saw the original UKC papers on Jim William's Paladin Dog. Shown as Hunter's Sam & Hunter's Tana. M. Carver or R. Hyde did not like that, so later on the ADBA breeding showed something else that most peds show today. Unless one Satch dog was bred by J. Carver and the other Satch by M. Carver. Without a picture of both dogs. That mystery will remain as well.
Some dog persons do not like the original breeding on Bob Finley's Bo dog. So give out a pedigree that says Bo was a Bullet bred dog. I have been around met and spoke with Finley. Was a very nice dog man. He never said anything about Bo having a wrong pedigree. Not to me or V. Jackson.
So with all that said let's go with what we have. Red Boy and most of the Medlin dogs will key back on the Colby line. Powell's breedings on his first Termite dogs, bred more toward the Hank line with Chavis's Black Beauty. A Lonzo bred bitch dog in the line up. These dogs will key more toward the Tudor's Dibo dog.
Later Powell introduced more of the Medlin dogs through dogs, like Swinson's Carolina Rose. I am pretty sure the Medlin dogs will key more toward the Colby line. So his later dogs may lean more toward the Colby dogs like Tant's Yellow or Waccamaw's main stud dog. Am not sure which is the main dog bred around the Waccamaw dogs. Saw the Big John dog and went with him to use as a example.
Last edited by CYJ; 06-27-2013 at 12:09 PM. Reason: spelling,added thoughts
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I can't comment on these lines in particular, but what I can give you are unimpeachable guidelines "in general" ...Originally Posted by Red Reign Kennels
In general, the biggest difference in any group of dogs being bred by any individual kennel would be in selection: namely, what each breeder selects for when he makes a breeding
As the breeder of my own family of dogs, I always selected for fast, smart, athletic, longwinded HEAD DOGS for most of my breeding of the Poncho bloodline ... However, later on, I started breeding for super-fast, high-powered finishers in the throat when I bred Silverback dogs ... but I never worked with these dogs as long as I did Poncho dogs.
Anyway, the point is, many rockheads have got their hands on my dogs and bred any damned dogs of mine together ... without regard for TRAITS ... and so, over time, their dogs would not be like my dogs even if they had nearly identical backgrounds. Yet many other people have gotten their hands on them and made some fantastic breeding choices!
On the bad end of the scale, I know people who have slow, ponderous Poncho/Mayday dogs that work the chest. They call them "Poncho dogs," but in truth they're nothing like my best Poncho dogs ... let alone anything like my best Silverback dogs. Sure, these dogs may produce some good dogs out of the mediocre batch, but I don't think they're going to get the nearly-uniform style that I've been able to get using what I like best
Why? Because they're rolling dogs and breeding the ones "that scratch" ... even if their style sucks, or if they have no air, etc. ... all they gotta do is scratch. Meanwhile I will be rolling the dogs out, getting rid of dogs that hit the chest, getting rid of dogs that shake the front legs, etc. ... even if they're game ... and I will be keeping and going forward only with long-winded head/face dogs that finish. Repeated over time, one man is going to have a bunch of sloppy-fighing dogs, and no general style expectancy, while another man is going to have a uniform yard of badass head/face dogs that finish.
Now then, if you apply this thinking to Tant, HOE, and Wac, then you need to ask each man what he breeds for and keeps ... and go with the the one whose selection process suits your taste/goals. Obviously, all of these guys have produced winners (and 2 of 3 are no longer active), but in general this is how you narrow down your search with any line: based on the selection standards (or lack thereof) of the breeder.
Jack
We agree with Jack. Selection. But if you look closely at the foundation dogs of each line, they all come from the breedings of Fletcher Chavis. So, really, your questions should be related to why Mr. Chavis was doing the breedings he was doing and what those gentlemen (Tant, HOE, Wacc) saw in those dogs to want to use them.
We would always pick the Waccamaw branch of the Redboy/Jocko family tree. Mainly, because they have been so selective over the years and ONLY breed quality individuals from their program. Christ, I remember when Waccamaw didn't offer dogs to anyone.
I agree with Jack. With the machobuck dogs, I keep two separate strains, the throat from the start strain like machobuck himself, and the swap it out backend then front end ride the head if they have to Machobear strain.
As for our breeding program ,we breed total package dogs .ones that are smart and go from the front to the back of the hog ,and got to have power ,I love a dog that can run through a hog like a freight train.when looking for a good hog dog we look for smart ,speed ,power ,mouth ,and adaptability.
Love dogs that have plan b, c, d
You can catch just about any hog with them.
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