New to the game

[Officially Retired]

get youself a dog take him for a walk and when you see a guy thats walking his bulldog ask him where he got that cur from then just take it from there

If you're looking for "bottom level" action, then your suggestion is a good one, but if a person is really looking for a good dogman then your suggestion is the exact opposite way to go about it.

IMO, a good dogman would automatically blackball someone coming at him like that, unless it was clearly a tongue-in-cheek joke (and you were clearly an experienced guy making it).

Jack

[GO HARD]

a dogman understands (how) certain things are said

[Acesaun]

Not so. Ed Faron lost all his dogs running his mouth to a newbie who was buying his dogs and asking a lot of questions. With that in mind, you must understand a few things:

1) YOU are the one wanting something; the experienced dogman doesn't need anything from you;
2) You are asking a complete stranger to risk the lives of his dogs, his home, and his family all "for you" ... and yet what is it that you're offering "him";
3) While you are the one in need, and while the other man is risking his freedom to pour information into your head, you are also asking that man to give up his time, his effort, his secrets, etc. to you ... but what are you offering him?

So, rather than think of "yourself," you might want to ask yourself what you can do for the person you're asking to risk his freedom, and spend his time, for you? Are you going to clean his yard for him? Are you going to feed/care for his dogs? Are you going to dedicate yourself to preserving his bloodline? In short, are you asking this man to invest his time into you, so he gets something back, or do you just want to "take" from him, waste his time, and give nothing back?

I do agree with BlackHand that truly being interested in a dogman's bloodline (if he has one) is a great way to get him interested in you. The trouble with every beginner is they think they know more than the man from whom they're asking all their questions. Still, showing a sincere interest in a man's dogs is the best way for him to show a sincere interest in you doing well with them. If you have his dogs, he will want you to do well with them, and so his time spent with you will be viewed as an investment into the success of his dogs.

I also appreciate EWO's faith in my book and this site, and I do believe if you pay attention to both, and get your own dogs, and if you have a natural eye for what a good dog is, that you don't really need a mentor at all. I know plenty of dogmen who have reached the top of the game following what I have written, including my keep. If you go to local dog shows, you will always run into peers that you meet, and sooner or later yall will get together to see what's what. And, doing this, sooner or later you will eventually meet good dog folks. Especially if you're a good dude yourself.

You will always meet people who have dogs, who do dogs, and who "have opinions" ... but I would just ignore all of them, unless what they're doing really stands out. When you see people whose dogs and methods always stand out, then those are the people to get to know. Just remember that, if you follow everything that's been laid out in my book, that person whose efforts "stand out" might just be you

Good luck,

Jack

Jack I get it, I'm not just asking and I'm definitely not wanting anyone to put their life on the line for me I have just as much to lose as anyone on this forum. I'm just tired of dealing with medioker dogs and dogmen I'm willing to acquire a good dog from a good Dogman and be a part of that bloodlines successful recognition I love a good dog but I love it more when I know I own one or have access to them I guess that's what I really have an issue with I'm new to the states and cant find that nitch. I agree with all of you guy BUT "GO HARD"You crazy bro