Female vs male

[Officially Retired]

If I was the breeder I wld feel the same way but once some one makes a promise and takes the dog what can u do???

Exactly. And since I come from a breeder's perspective (which is the guy who invested years of his time into creating the great dogs that people like to f*** around with and waste their potential), it gets old having people promise you the world in order to get the dog, and then do everything but keep their promise ... all the while "justifying" the stupid shit they do to themselves (and to the breeder whose trust they violate). So you'll have to pardon my angry tone when I see the same $#!^ happening here.

What can I do? If it's happening to a dog of mine, I can call that person out in public as a dumbass when I see him, and that's about it.

The truth is, only rarely is a breeder surprised to find a newcomer who actually tries his best, who actually does what he says he's going to do, and who actually AVOIDS doing the stupid shit that you've described here in this post, and who instead really tries to conduct himself like a professional and do everything right instead of everything wrong.

As EWO said so eloquently, none of what you're doing is valuable to your bitch's development. None of it helps her ranking or reputation to anyone who matters. All of it is only a risk to her potential, in front of weekend warriors who don't matter, giving absolutely zero benefit to your bitch's name or record to anyone who's anyone in the sport of dogs.

Good thing is the story had a good ending the dog is fine. Guess that ? was crazy and no one has seen or heard of that thanks anyway .

Based on your story and your attitude, I would bet a million dollars to a penny that ultimately this bitch will not have "a good ending" ...

Jack

[ragedog10]

And why the hell wld I need haters to cosign on shit. I love my dogs no one has to feed and take care of them but me!!!! Did not know a simple what have y'all seen ? Wld turn in a mini bash !! that will be my last post if that will make y'all so happy read all my post nothing but smart mouth typing coming my way on mostly every post I get the picture see y'all soon!!!

It's just dumb and the whole scenario you gave was real amateur sounding. So game at 10months old ect.. It's something a real dogman would not partake in as it serves no purpose as most said . I can read and to be honest i think you were looking for someone to say yea my bitch kicks males asses all the time, so you could say mine too! I'm not hating calling it how i see it ,one of my many faults. Yis Ole Man

[evolutionkennels]

If I was the breeder I wld feel the same way but once some one makes a promise and takes the dog what can u do??? Good thing is the story had a good ending the dog is fine. Guess that ? was crazy and no one has seen or heard of that thanks anyway .

All of it just isn't professional. It is very amateurish. None of it makes sense. Either You are working with the dog, or against him. Whoever did this to that bitch isn't in I for the dogs, he's in it for himself, at the expense of the dog. If this person does this, he needs to get out of the dogs. It's really sad.

[realpitsnobull]

Once again the slow peps the breeder was against it !!! all the the early schooling and against the male story wld he be happy about the outcome YES if she is ok !! But like I said at the end of the story the guy has seen enough now a shut some mouths so he hears what the breeding is saying and has put her on ice !!!!!! What attitude y'all talking shit to me ! But like I sd you don't have to worry bout my stupid threads and story's anymore!! And I bet you she will be fine to bad y'all will not hear bout it thanks for nothing !!!

[evolutionkennels]

Once again the slow peps the breeder was against it !!! all the the early schooling and against the male story wld he be happy about the outcome YES if she is ok !! But like I said at the end of the story the guy has seen enough now a shut some mouths so he hears what the breeding is saying and has put her on ice !!!!!! What attitude y'all talking shit to me ! But like I sd you don't have to worry bout my stupid threads and story's anymore!! And I bet you she will be fine to bad y'all will not hear bout it thanks for nothing !!!

Look man, nobody embarrassing anyone. What's easier to do:
A: realize and admit that the way you are doing things is wrong, and change? Or
B: make excuses for why such and such things were done?

Reality is that if you continue down this road, you will RUIN a lot of good dogs. PERIOD

LASTLY, just because you feed a dog every day doesn't give you the right to fuck off the dog. By that rational, if you wanted to shoot the dog every day with a pellet gun, it would be Ok because you feed the dog? Your approach is negative. These people are telling you this to HELP you, and rather than heed the wisdom of people that have more experience.. You get pissed off? Cmon man. Be better than that.

[evolutionkennels]

U say yourself peps doing things with your blood you wld not do with your dogs you can not control every thing! I will make this story as clear as I can! ( it's a story) guy picks up female at 4-5 months see great signs see that's what she loves to do months go bye dog showing high energy great wind etc ( the hound running bout 2 hours on the mill at 10 months) he been spending time with the the dog loves hers and take care of her like the breeder made him promise! But she so game he can not help but to school her ( mini show) to shut peps up cause they mad he got some new and they running same type stuff ! Now the BREEDER tells him to wait till she is round 2 or so but his dog his call!! Why because she show so good. But after the male schooling he will finally listen to the breeder. Like I said just a what have Yall seen before ?!!! Bout it

[R2L]

months go bye dog showing high energy great wind etc ( the hound running bout 2 hours on the mill at 10 months

But she so game he can not help but to school her ( mini show) to shut peps up cause they mad he got some new and they running same type stuff !

[EWO]

The last part really makes sense and can be applied to a lot of things in the dogs. Nothing gives anyone the right to harm the dog. Owning, feeding, etc,,etc,,,


And although blunt, none of the posts were meant to show anyone up or embarrass. They were opinions offered to help by people who have been doing these things for quite some time at a very high level. Thing is when people do things at a high level they are confident and passionate about what they do, and when someone asks a question and the overwhelming majority of the circle speaks against it passionately, that should be reason enough. Girls and boys in the mix is just not a good idea. I respect Frostypaws based on his posts. I believe if you had worded your post similar to his it may have come across a little better. But when you toss in words like game/ten months/show/ it spikes the passion and confidence of people who have spent time at the top of the food chain. It is, and should be, expected.


If I came on here and say my prospect just quit and I was surprised. I mean he went for 40 minutes two different times and looked amazing. But when we two dogged him last month he just checked up. I mean he pushed five pounds before with no problem. But that second dog had won two and mine just checked up. Damn breeder sold me a cur piece of shit. I have his littermate brother who looks better now that he has turned 13 months old but since his brother quit I am going to have to bear down on him before I breed him. What do you guys think?


I think the shit would be raining down all over me. And if I am smart I am reading and listening. EWO

Look man, nobody embarrassing anyone. What's easier to do:
A: realize and admit that the way you are doing things is wrong, and change? Or
B: make excuses for why such and such things were done?

Reality is that if you continue down this road, you will RUIN a lot of good dogs. PERIOD

LASTLY, just because you feed a dog every day doesn't give you the right to fuck off the dog. By that rational, if you wanted to shoot the dog every day with a pellet gun, it would be Ok because you feed the dog? Your approach is negative. These people are telling you this to HELP you, and rather than heed the wisdom of people that have more experience.. You get pissed off? Cmon man. Be better than that.

[realpitsnobull]

the only thing I am guilty of is selling a pup or peddling in y'all words when they are 100's doing the damn same thing on the puppy breeding link!! The REAL dog men I have talked with round here that dont promote said best thing for me to do is keep making the streets happy and stay off line they have seen F vs M schooling before and sd unless I am in y'all so clled circle nothing but hate will came my way!! So thanks for all the help but NO THANKS ! If I have learn one thing I learn this keep my BI to myself and stay offline !! Y'all have a great life!!!!!!

[Officially Retired]

the only thing I am guilty of is selling a pup or peddling in y'all words when they are 100's doing the damn same thing on the puppy breeding link!! The REAL dog men I have talked with round here that dont promote said best thing for me to do is keep making the streets happy and stay off line they have seen F vs M schooling before and sd unless I am in y'all so clled circle nothing but hate will came my way!! So thanks for all the help but NO THANKS ! If I have learn one thing I learn this keep my BI to myself and stay offline !! Y'all have a great life!!!!!!

First of all, you need to learn how to communicate in plain English, not ignorant street jive. That alone would help everyone (who's educated) understand WTF you're trying to say.

Secondly, if all you did was sell the pup, then why didn't you just spit that out to begin with? If it was someone other than yourself doing these things, then just say that.

Thirdly, no matter who is rolling this pup over and over again, they're retards.

Forthly, who are these "real dogmen" you are referring to, and what truly world class accomplishments do they have? Because NO ONE, who is truly world class, rolls and tests puppies starting before they're a year. No one.

And finally, you keep threatening "not to post here" again ... and commit internet suicide over our reaction to this post of yours ... and yet here you are, every day, all day, responding and going over this ... again and again ... and yet apparently learning nothing

So either speak in plain English, and stop threatening "not to post again," so we can all continue the discussion ... or go away like you keep threatening to do. Because the nonsense you keep trying to justify is offensive to the truly world class dogmen here who are reading it. So you might want to zip your lip and really think about that for a minute

Jack