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    Senior Member waccamaw's Avatar
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    So a dog with Babesia and a low RBC could run a marathon .

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    Rbc deliver oxygen. The more available through rbc due to increased numbers, the better the cardio-respiratory systems work and produce. Performance experts know this for quite some time and they use epo doping to produce the oposite of what you say.
    Less rbc equals closer to anemic status, which is well known that impairs performance for the above mentioned reasons.

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    red blood builders like iron, vitamine b and e are essential in a keep rather then harmful.

    with the use of epo its a different story, you have to know what you're doing. the real danger lays in the hct.

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    Bingo!

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    So wrong.the higher the RBC the more energy you have for longer periods of time.i take b12 and b complex daily.and have for 20 plus years .
    No sir waccamaw. The dog with a low rbc count couldnt run a marathon but neither could a dog with high rbc count and Polycythemia. Why because neither dog is healthy! The old saying goes "everything in moderation". Too much of a good thing is a bad thing just like too much of a bad thing is a bad thing. Any joe blow can give his dogs b-vitamins from the supplement store, blood doping is a science and if you dont know what you are doing you will f*uck your dog up. The purpose of rbc are to transport oxygen but too thick a concentration of blood does cause the heart to work harder to pump blood. Harder for concrete to travel through a hose pipe than it is for water. I use b vitamins but i wean off towards the end of a keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotap_d View Post
    The purpose of rbc are to transport oxygen but too thick a concentration of blood does cause the heart to work harder to pump blood. Harder for concrete to travel through a hose pipe than it is for water.
    Good analogy.

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    Gotan, so starting from what rbc value you think will disadvantage a dog?
    I know of dogs that went with higher then 10, which is way above normal values, with no problems.
    Building of vitamin b to prevent blood getting to thick makes no sense for me, its a innocent blood builder.
    Again, the danger lays in hct.

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    Taking B vitamins isn't going to cause a mass concentration of RBC. The only way you have a concentration the way you describe is through dehydration, Gotap. It's called hemoconcentration. You are right about what you describe, but you just have the reasoning behind it wrong.

    Athletes train at altitude to induce polycythemia to increase their RBC count so when they go back to sea level, they have an increased ability to transport oxygen. R2L is right in saying the danger lies in the HCT levels, not the actual RBC levels themselves.

    But you, nor your dog, are gonna develop life threatening polycythemia from B vitamins.

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    What makes the blood thick is a dog being dehydrated ,or a blood disorder .such as the body having to much vitamin k .or not being able to process vitamin k .to each his own idea , but if you go by the directions on the bottle of vitamin b you will not over do it .trust me on that .this is what makes one run hot ,weather such as humidity changing from day to day ,not enough work load prior to hunting ,and the quality of the hog they are trying to catch.

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    Im telling you guys the problems that arise from too much rbc in the body and you guys feel that the main problem is the HCT levels being too high. HCT measures the amount of RBC in the blood. For example, a hematocrit of 25% means that there are 25 milliliters of red blood cells in 100 milliliters of blood.

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