Vernon Jackson Family !?

[CYJ]

Thank you everyone for the complements. Trying to remember a lot of what happen 40 years ago without keeping current with the printed dog magazines. Can be a little hectic. I went to a lot of events when myself and V. J. were in our younger years. We would load up a group of local dog men in a big Van. Share the gas costs etc. and away we would go. Fellows like Spruill, Cox, Braddock, Middleton, Truett, and others. Everyone were good friends here and those we met abroad. Never saw bad sportsmanship like I hear of today. If one felt someone did them wrong, abided by the referee's decision. Sucked it up and moved on.

I got off to a bad start on the on line pedigree site. Was all excited and my mind was running in all directions. Thought many would like to know more detail about all the various dogs. Some of the shenanigans of the now famous dog men. Failing to realize that many younger dog men, like football fans had their preferred teams and dog men hero's. I realized to much information would be bad. Best just say something good or nothing at all.

If I did, was a pile on time with lots of nasty stuff spoken to you. LOL I mentioned in one topic, had stayed up to late and topic was badly written. Was fixing to go in and correct that morning. But the ole Fancier had me in a quote. Proceeded to take me out back behind the wood shed. I had made the mistake of implying that most UKC dogs of today were now probably just Staff show dog types. Example probably being the Red Devil line. Was thinking at the time of Mr. Wilder and not Iron line kennels. I was surprised they were still around. Mentioned that in the early 60's was a Palmer that was a Highway patrolman that showed and pulled some Staff dogs. Sure it was not the Palmer he knew very well.

I see where Ca Jack catches it anytime he is over on that site. Problem is he is way ahead of them in smarts, facts and writing abilities. That Boze guy putting down Mr. Hollingsworth thoughts on black dogs was in much error. I am afraid from my time in the dogs what his thoughts on the matter were. I found to be very correct.

The only reason Hollingsworth dogs are not in V.J. dogs today. Is I did not follow up on the suggestions from G. Cox and Mr. Edwards and visit him. After seeing the video of his original dog's on the You Tube. Like Ca Jack I too would have been over powered and blown away from seeing such excellent looking dogs. I know the right stuff when I see it. Like the parable of the candle kept under a Bush. The outcross I needed was right there under my nose but never got to see it. LOL I am sure Jack when you first saw these animals you felt you had seen the light, at least in the bulldog, world terms. LOL, Cheers.

[Officially Retired]

Thank you everyone for the complements. Trying to remember a lot of what happen 40 years ago without keeping current with the printed dog magazines. Can be a little hectic. I went to a lot of events when myself and V. J. were in our younger years. We would load up a group of local dog men in a big Van. Share the gas costs etc. and away we would go. Fellows like Spruill, Cox, Braddock, Middleton, Truett, and others. Everyone were good friends here and those we met abroad. Never saw bad sportsmanship like I hear of today. If one felt someone did them wrong, abided by the referee's decision. Sucked it up and moved on.
I got off to a bad start on the on line pedigree site. Was all excited and my mind was running in all directions. Thought many would like to know more detail about all the various dogs. Some of the shenanigans of the now famous dog men. Failing to realize that many younger dog men, like football fans had their preferred teams and dog men hero's. I realized to much information would be bad. Best just say something good or nothing at all.
If I did, was a pile on time with lots of nasty stuff spoken to you. LOL I mentioned in one topic, had stayed up to late and topic was badly written. Was fixing to go in and correct that morning. But the ole Fancier had me in a quote. Proceeded to take me out back behind the wood shed. I had made the mistake of implying that most UKC dogs of today were now probably just Staff show dog types. Example probably being the Red Devil line. Was thinking at the time of Mr. Wilder and not Iron line kennels. I was surprised they were still around. Mentioned that in the early 60's was a Palmer that was a Highway patrolman that showed and pulled some Staff dogs. Sure it was not the Palmer he knew very well.
I see where Ca Jack catches it anytime he is over on that site. Problem is he is way ahead of them in smarts, facts and writing abilities. That Boze guy putting down Mr. Hollingsworth thoughts on black dogs was in much error. I am afraid from my time in the dogs what his thoughts on the matter were. I found to be very correct.
The only reason Hollingsworth dogs are not in V.J. dogs today. Is I did not follow up on the suggestions from G. Cox and Mr. Edwards and visit him. After seeing the video of his original dog's on the You Tube. Like Ca Jack I too would have been over powered and blown away from seeing such excellent looking dogs. I know the right stuff when I see it. Like the parable of the candle kept under a Bush. The outcross I needed was right there under my nose but never got to see it. LOL I am sure Jack when you first saw these animals you felt you had seen the light, at least in bulldog, dog world terms. LOL, Cheers.

Thanks for the props, good sir, and it's a real pleasure to have you onboard.

Not only are your articles and posts appreciated by all, but NO ONE has entered in more pedigrees here than you, nor put in more effort correcting bad pedigrees, and that includes me!

If we ever get an "MVP" award on here, you will definitely be the first recipient

And if you ever decide to accept that Moderator assignment I offered you, it will be my pleasure to make that upgrade to your account

Cheers,

Jack

[R2L]

Offtopic but another from me. It's people like CYJ and a few others that separate this board from all others.
Thought i ask one simple question, ended up with 4 pages of text full of new(or should i say old??) insights to think about.

[rodburner]

I commend you sir....this is one of the best threads I've read here or anywhere else.....keep'm coming cyj...

[CYJ]

To the rest of Albino Rhino questions. I took time to do a lot of research and kept accurate registered papers on our dogs. Where I was in control of it you can be assured the breeding's are correct. I never understood the selfishness of falsifying or changing the papers on how dogs were bred. The papers are only a tool to help with future breeding's. For continuing a line of dogs for today and tomorrow. You are very right, in the pulling ring the papers are not much help at that point. LOL

From 40 years back the V. Jackson line is still intact today. Some of it straight and some of it crossed into other bloodlines. Three dog man have contacted me and still use it and have it straight and crossed. His Hank dog had a big impact on many bloodlines of today. So to each his own, everyone has some good ones and bad ones. No matter how they are bred or crossed. Just try to cull the bad ones and keep the good ones. To the best of your knowledge and ability.

Then along comes a turning over the apple cart guy, like R. Jones. Who took well bred cull dogs from J. Crenshaw. Few years later or so, starts kicking butt and taking names. Just no monopoly in the dog game, some just sell more dogs than others. LOL Cheers

[kid]

CYJ is always offering interesting glimpses into our dogs' history, and there's a lot of threads with his particiapation.

Maybe we should have a "Best of CYJ" section

yep for sure

[brokeback]

Good read. I've always enjoyed CYJ's posts.

[AlbinoRhino]

Bravo Mr CYJ ...you truly are flawless in class , thank you for your insight !!

[EWO]

Ditto.

I have enjoyed a series of PM's with Mr. Young over the past several months. His insight and experiences are priceless. We met in person at Tom's picnic a few Saturday's ago. I enjoyed the conversation tremendously. We joked about people competing for his time. LOL. It was great conversation. It was one of those Saturday afternoon's where the shade tress provided little to no relief. It was smoking hot. But well worth the trip.

Sometimes I wonder if the game has changed or the times or the people. Most of the time I think it is all the same just a different set of people on a different set of dates. There are good and bad in every era. Mr. Young happens to be the good from his era and passing that true knowledge into this era makes him all the more valuable going forward. A passing of the torch or sorts.

When I see CYJ on post it is my first stop. Always a good read.

Agreed. A class act.

EWO

[arsuffi@att.net]

Ditto.

I have enjoyed a series of PM's with Mr. Young over the past several months. His insight and experiences are priceless. We met in person at Tom's picnic a few Saturday's ago. I enjoyed the conversation tremendously. We joked about people competing for his time. LOL. It was great conversation. It was one of those Saturday afternoon's where the shade tress provided little to no relief. It was smoking hot. But well worth the trip.

Sometimes I wonder if the game has changed or the times or the people. Most of the time I think it is all the same just a different set of people on a different set of dates. There are good and bad in every era. Mr. Young happens to be the good from his era and passing that true knowledge into this era makes him all the more valuable going forward. A passing of the torch or sorts.

When I see CYJ on post it is my first stop. Always a good read.

Agreed. A class act.

EWO

EWO I met Mr. Young many years ago and he left a very big impression on me then, just lately I have also talked to him about old times, our times at that time and I have found even more respect for him. As you said his insight and experiences are priceless. Yours in the Game Johnny