Breeding Dogs With Structural Defects

[projectx]

I didn't even bother to read that last response either, for those exact reasons.

It is far easier to point out "the cracks in a Great Monument" than it is to build a better monument yourself.

Jack

Jack there you go again trying to make a put down comment rather than admit you agrree with me on when and why you or i would ever breed if ever to a dog with either deafnesss or another decfect that you thought was severe enough for you not to use a dog like that unless those circumstances to use it were met , and if you dont bother to read my replys thats not being fair to then make a comment reply like your last post , thats jsut plain lazy and unfair, and thats not what i expected of you jack .

[Officially Retired]

Jack there you go again trying to make a put down comment rather than admit you agrree with me on when and why you or i would ever breed if ever to a dog with either deafnesss or another decfect that you thought was severe enough for you not to use a dog like that unless those circumstances to use it were met ,

You are confusing many things, as usual.

While I agree I wouldn't breed to a deaf dog, unless it was very special in other ways, I still think it's a waste of time to go on and on and on about the fact Gary Hammonds did so. The great results he got prove his decision was a wise one.

Meanwhile, my ultimate opinions have been completely overlooked by you:
1) I could give a damn what Gary Hammonds does on his own yard;
2) What have YOU done positively for the breed?

and if you dont bother to read my replys thats not being fair to then make a comment reply like your last post , thats jsut plain lazy and unfair, and thats not what i expected of you jack .

You're starting to sound like a whiner.

Me, lazy? How dare you call me lazy. This forum here is the result of 2 straight years of more time and effort spent building and tweaking than you can possibly imagine. My 400-page, 500,000-word book took more time and effort to create than you have the sauce to think about yourself, let alone actually accomplish. Meanwhile, you have done "what" here, besides bitch and moan on occasion with your whopping 33 posts in 2 years?

You want to talk about "unfair?" How's this for unfair? I have asked you MULTIPLE times to state what YOU have done positively for this breed ... and you refuse to answer that ONE GD question I've asked you ... and yet I have written pages-full answering your questions ... and here I am *again* responding to everything you've said ... while YOU refuse to answer only ONE question I have asked of you ... so who TF is "unfair" here?

I didn't bother reading your last poorly-spelled, poorly-punctuated block of text because I am tired of you beating a dead horse and offering nothing but negativity to this forum ... while being too chickenshit to answer a single question about yourself.

So, until you reciprocate and answer MY question, and turn that microscope around to closely examine yourself ... the next negative statement you make to me, or to anyone on here, will be your last.

Jack

[S_B]

When a "defect" in a structure which contributes nothing rears its ugly head, it should be done away with. No sense in it continuing, as it is futile.

Jack, I'm sure most would support whatever decision you choose in dealing with such a defect in this structure.

S_B

[Officially Retired]

I hear you, and it is now getting close to that.

I am still fuming that Projectx actually has the audacity to call "me" lazy. He has only made 33 posts here in 2 years (all negative), while I have contributed (literally) more than 100x that amount during the same period, not to mention "small contributions" like the resource itself, all the articles, all the videos, etc.

The man literally needs to look in the mirror, for a good long while, before he uses words like "lazy" on me again, or "bad for the breed" on a man like Hammonds.

Hell, S_B, you have only been here 3 months, yet you've tripled Projectx' input in posts, you've added more than 650 dogs (13x more than Projectx), and you've also tried contributed immeasurably to straightening out some of the bad data entry in no telling how many other pedigrees ... in 1/8^th the amount of time he's been here.

Meanwhile, what has Projectx done "what" in 2 years here?
Oh, that's right, 33 (negative) posts and 49 pedigrees.
Worse, even in the mere 49 pedigrees Projectx has entered, 30 of those entries (62%) were either misspelled or poorly-punctuated.

You know, that "negative microscope" works both ways, and when it shines on him it doesn't look too promising.
Projectx needs to state his breeding credentials, and get his own act together, FIRST, before he dares to call another man "lazy" or "bad for the breed" again.

Jack

[projectx]

I hear you, and it is now getting close to that.

I am still fuming that Projectx actually has the audacity to call "me" lazy. He has only made 33 posts here in 2 years (all negative), while I have contributed (literally) more than 100x that amount during the same period, not to mention "small contributions" like the resource itself, all the articles, all the videos, etc.

The man literally needs to look in the mirror, for a good long while, before he uses words like "lazy" on me again, or "bad for the breed" on a man like Hammonds.

Hell, S_B, you have only been here 3 months, yet you've tripled Projectx' input in posts, you've added more than 650 dogs (13x more than Projectx), and you've also tried contributed immeasurably to straightening out some of the bad data entry in no telling how many other pedigrees ... in 1/8^th the amount of time he's been here.

Meanwhile, what has Projectx done "what" in 2 years here?
Oh, that's right, 33 (negative) posts and 49 pedigrees.
Worse, even in the mere 49 pedigrees Projectx has entered, 30 of those entries (62%) were either misspelled or poorly-punctuated.

You know, that "negative microscope" works both ways, and when it shines on him it doesn't look too promising.
Projectx needs to state his breeding credentials, and get his own act together, FIRST, before he dares to call another man "lazy" or "bad for the breed" again.

Jack

Hi jack , i used lazy towards you not becasue i think your lazy i know your not ,but because in your reply to my post you said that you hadnt bothered to read it all just like sb had stated ,and i found that lazy , as i may not agree with a post , but i will at least give it the courtesy of reading it fully before making a reply to it whether positive or negative.

As for me saying that hammonds is bad for the breed , i dont think i said that jack , what i do think and if im not mistaken and not wanting to put words into your mouth you agreed also, is that to constantly breed in a severe defect like deafness , which gary himself has stated he thinks is not a good idea but has kept doing it is bad breeding practice ,and unless like you yourself said the dog in question would have to have been a one in a thousand type dog and also an outstanding pitdog before you would ever consider breeding to a dog like that , so why the hell are you trying to shoot me down for saying what im sure many others also think is bad breeding practice , whether its gary hammonds doing it or a newbie its still bad practice, and i dont see why i or anyone else needs to justify what they post by what credentials they have in the game, just like i dont ask anyone else that question , i just read a post and if i agree or disagree with it i dont wonder whether any post i disagree with is posted by either a rank begginer or ozzie stevens , if it has merits thats what i look at , if everyone on this or any other forum has to have credentials or a badge of honour before they can post a comment and then and only then regardless of how good or bad a post might be is allowed to say anything on any subject , then not many will be posting anything.

If like many other members jack who post on a variety of subjects from feed and housing to breeding and what gamness is, you should know better than most , that its all about pereception , and even the most experienced dogman can make mistakes and they do all the time, you yourself mentioned just that in a post about breeding if im not mistaken so if i or anyone else has to show you and the rest of the forum a resume of achievements before making a post even if its a good post , then make that a rule on here and lets see how many put one up , some will and some wont either becasue they cant or becasue their not here to tell the rest of the world whom or what they have done jack ,some people arent the braging type and like some annonimity thats why you dont see to many memebrs real names if ever .

As i said to you before , if you think my posts are negative , well im sorry but im not sure how i can make a post on something like breeding deaf dogs as a rule rather than an exception a very psoitive post as i dont agree with it , maybe thats why,
and the same would apply to any other posts you say i have been negative in i would have had a reason for me to be negative or not in agreement with it for me to have said it in the first place, and i at least try to , not like some members give a full and frank explanation as to why im not in agreement or negative as you say with a post , rather than just post a comment that says nothing and just disagrees with a post be it mine or another memebers post and gives no reason as to why , thats what i call a negative post jack , and man we can find a ton of those type of posts that say nothing and give nothing so guess what you learn nothing form them nothing ,and normally those posters dont have a reason other than they run a certain line or have an affiliation with a certain dogman , at least i try to give a reason in every post i make then jack its upto another member to either agree or disagree with it and i would hope they try to explain to me by way of a post using reasons as to why they may think im wrong , and if like i think i am a reasonable and open minded person , i may be swayed by that post becasue it has merit and i may have been wrong in my opinion , but that means making an effort not just defending the undefendable or disagreeing becasue of an emotional attachment rather than using facts , that i would have thought would be the way you would like ii to be jack , just like you always give a reason why you think a certain drug or feeding theory is good by using reasons why , or examples of breeding , you give a reason for it , so others whehter they agree with you or not can at least have something to go on before making their decision to either go that way or not .

So just incase you didnt see it jack i do appologise to you if you thought i called you lazy , i know your not and without you this forum would not be what it is , i only meant it in the case of your not even bothering to read my post fully just like SB had said and then reply to it with a sweeping statement that to be fair was derogatroy to me ,without having read my post first, that was what i meant by being lazy , so i again appologise for that it was only meant in that particular context .

[evolutionkennels]

Why would you wanna crack knuckles again a 3x knuckle cracking world champion in 3 different weight divisions with a law degree. Even I wouldn't, although I've been known to crack a few knuckles.

[Officially Retired]

Why would you wanna crack knuckles again a 3x knuckle cracking world champion in 3 different weight divisions with a law degree. Even I wouldn't, although I've been known to crack a few knuckles.

LOL ... well, I am going to have to crack my knuckles later on ... too busy now "being lazy"

Jack

[projectx]

LOL ... well, I am going to have to crack my knuckles later on ... too busy now "being lazy"

Jack

Hi jack , well i appologised to you thinking that maybe you had somehow misunderstood in what context i had called you lazy , and i thought you deserved an appolgy incase you had misunderstood me, but thats fine jack .

[projectx]

Why would you wanna crack knuckles again a 3x knuckle cracking world champion in 3 different weight divisions with a law degree. Even I wouldn't, although I've been known to crack a few knuckles.

Hi evo thanks for the advice but i am more than capable of looking after myself , but more importantly what are your views and opinions on the subject of this thread .

[evolutionkennels]

Hi evo thanks for the advice but i am more than capable of looking after myself , but more importantly what are your views and opinions on the subject of this thread .

If it was a grand champion sdj doy that won his last three within a 14 week period, I'd breed him to the best structured bitches from his own bloodline (linebred) each time, pick out the best structured offspring who also perform, and go from the re, but I see his pups have the same defects, I'd save my time and start breeding away from him