DISPUTED OR FAKE PEDS FROM THE PAST AND PRESENT .

[CYJ]

My bad Bolero. Went back and corrected. I was talking about the Boudreaux' Scrub dog not the Boudreaux' Boze dog. Seems not only Boudreaux but the other Texas dog men etc. bred some quitting dogs in their pedigrees. Still done even today. I no longer have any of my older Magazines. But I believe Carver's Cracker was beat and failed to scratch, Trahan's Rascal dog did as well and some others.

The last living dog that V. Jackson had bred off of from my last bloodline, I was trying to develop. Had some awesome brothers and a beautiful built sibling sister. All got killed either by a very angry next door neighbor, Humane Dyke Society, stolen or drowned in a Texas Flash flood. That last dog was the Jackson's Harley dog. I was not there to see what happen but it was stated the dog quit in short order and barely mouthed the other dog.

Vernon said the dog was rubbed and two more later on, one dying in the kennel box and the other on the way to the Vet. Said he still has the Vet clinic reports showing Nicotine Sulphate. Would mail the reports to me to see for my self. Being that was a good many years back that was a moot point for me. Since I was not there to see for myself is a moot point. If I had felt the dog quit would have disposed of it even if that was the last Mohican. I know there was nothing wrong with his four grand parents. I had checked them pretty good.

Jackson said he went ahead and bred Harley to see if he may could be a producer. Felt he already knew the strengths and weakness of his dogs. Why go buy some one else's possible curs or cull dogs. V. Jackson said he on more than one occasion rode up on some of those dog thieves out on his property. There to steal dogs in the broad day light. Ended up letting a young Mexican dog man live on his property to help him and help watch and care for his remaining dogs.

Said all that to say I am not down on Boudreaux, Mayfield, are anyone else. I had some good dogs and some sorry ones. I was just one brick in the wall and nothing more. I was just a average dog man that liked the sport and did take very good care of my dogs. Kept my dogs healthy and runs clean.

We are all just bricks in the wall. Some may be considered big Concrete Blocks in that Wall. If we fight and bicker to much and demean each other. Not saying anyone has at this point. That wall can come tumbling down real fast.

Mr. Law. Mr. Do Good, Mr. john Q public and the Humane Dyke Society are only too willing, to put some of us bricks in a Jail house wall. LOL This sort of subject will just take us all around and around till we all turn into Butter or was that a brick. LOL Cheers

[bolero]

go by the american game dog times and read whata friend of both men says about eli and blind billy he explains everything and how eli was truly bred

[Foxman]

You guys sure tell and assume lots of stuff. Tombstone was bred like Maloney said. He wasn't always honest but in this case he was. I was there and saw Toot in the pen with Gina hungup and lots of those dogs have her body shape. If I remember correctly Gina was a red brindle dog but it has been years so I could be wrong. That man that had Gina I think she won two fights and that man had lots of winners and his dogs were tested hard. Davis is a dog in question. Yet he could be out of Toot. Who knows on that one. His dam was in the pen with two different males being bred. Charley Adkisson and I went out there one monday she was in with toot. When we went out there on thursday the dam was in with a De cordova dog called Rusty. When Maloney had Toot and Genia. There were no pure Tudor females at that time at his home. I know I was there. Gina was a two time winner. Don Maloney had a friend that he was real close with. I saw him several times at Maloney's home. He wasn't a bulldog man. He told me that him and Maloney went to Diffenbach's home to buy a pup. Diffenbach was gone so he ask Don which one he like and he pointed a Toot. So I grabbed it up and carried it to the truck. He said that is the truth about Toot. Maloney told him you need to keep your mouth shut.The first six years Toot was registered out of Jeff and then later on he was registered out of Spike. I think it was because Diffenbach had died but I'm not sure the true reason. That litter was supposedly off Spike. I got one thng to say to you guys. If you were not there and if you didn't see the breeding you can't say the pedigree is wrong.. No matter what anyone tells you. Don't go around swearing you know because you don't. Mayfield was a nice fellow. He hid lots of happenings and twisted the truth to make his yard look better. I had several of those dog right off Nigger and top bred female all but one quit. Maloney and Tommy Sherwood fought two dog for over two hours. Earl liked Sherwood's dog. Maloney told several people that Nigger was off that dog of Sherwoods. He said Earl brought Nigger's Dam over and bred to that Brindle dog of Sherwoods. Nigger threw lots of Brindle dogs. So it might be true or it might not. I didn't see the4 breeding so who knows if it true or not. What a bunch of silly assumptions you guys swear to. I'm done

[projectx]

go by the american game dog times and read whata friend of both men says about eli and blind billy he explains everything and how eli was truly bred

Bolero why dont you post the story , and while your at it post the interview with floyd so we can see what his words say ,not a friend , the man himslef , but like i said some folks what to believe regardless of the evidence or common sense
and it looks like your one of them bolero, you have floyds own words the times jan feb issue 1989 , but you dont want to
belive floyds own words and the overwhelming view of the dogmen who had a brain back then with no axe to grind one way or another , but instead you want to belive a story from a friend of floyds rather than floyds own words , cos floyds words prove him a lair on blind billy and eli and you must not want to see it which is pretty sad .

[projectx]

You guys sure tell and assume lots of stuff. Tombstone was bred like Maloney said. He wasn't always honest but in this case he was. I was there and saw Toot in the pen with Gina hungup and lots of those dogs have her body shape. If I remember correctly Gina was a red brindle dog but it has been years so I could be wrong. That man that had Gina I think she won two fights and that man had lots of winners and his dogs were tested hard. Davis is a dog in question. Yet he could be out of Toot. Who knows on that one. His dam was in the pen with two different males being bred. Charley Adkisson and I went out there one monday she was in with toot. When we went out there on thursday the dam was in with a De cordova dog called Rusty. When Maloney had Toot and Genia. There were no pure Tudor females at that time at his home. I know I was there. Gina was a two time winner. Don Maloney had a friend that he was real close with. I saw him several times at Maloney's home. He wasn't a bulldog man. He told me that him and Maloney went to Diffenbach's home to buy a pup. Diffenbach was gone so he ask Don which one he like and he pointed a Toot. So I grabbed it up and carried it to the truck. He said that is the truth about Toot. Maloney told him you need to keep your mouth shut.The first six years Toot was registered out of Jeff and then later on he was registered out of Spike. I think it was because Diffenbach had died but I'm not sure the true reason. That litter was supposedly off Spike. I got one thng to say to you guys. If you were not there and if you didn't see the breeding you can't say the pedigree is wrong.. No matter what anyone tells you. Don't go around swearing you know because you don't. Mayfield was a nice fellow. He hid lots of happenings and twisted the truth to make his yard look better. I had several of those dog right off Nigger and top bred female all but one quit. Maloney and Tommy Sherwood fought two dog for over two hours. Earl liked Sherwood's dog. Maloney told several people that Nigger was off that dog of Sherwoods. He said Earl brought Nigger's Dam over and bred to that Brindle dog of Sherwoods. Nigger threw lots of Brindle dogs. So it might be true or it might not. I didn't see the4 breeding so who knows if it true or not. What a bunch of silly assumptions you guys swear to. I'm done

Randy your a right in that we should never say that something is for sure, but neither should anyone, tombstone may be out of gina, but maloney had baby on his yard , and i think you know the deal he had with earl about anything form his pure females, and maloney was known as a slippery one , so who knows, but then we have an audio tape which i have heard
with mayfield and maloney just after mayfield got tombstone from ron , and on that audio tape maloney tells mayfield, (well hes mommas the same as the old nigger dog you got don, then some few minutes later he must realsie and changes it to the gina bitch .
Now im not going to say your msitaken randy cos i wasnt there when maloney bred toot to whatever female, and he may as you said have had gina on his yard at the time , but that dont prove he bred to her , infact like most folks who understand breeding as i know you do , and jack does and mayfield did, the breeding to gina didnt make sense, but the toot baby one did, it was the right way to breed them dogs and the sensible way, but maybe he did breed to gina if she was on his yard.

Now on another tape from a call mayfield had from a dogman in arkansas i think , who don didnt know personally and who had called him up to talk about the dogs, this man talked about how when gina was supposed to whelping tombstone on maloneys yard she was on another mans yard in another state, which of course was to late for mayfield as tombstone was dead and could not breed to him anymore.SO its all about what makes sense and circimstanstial evidence , but i tend to favour baby as the dam. but as you say anythings possible.

Randy im sure you read most if not all of the posts on this thread ,so i will assume you read mine about how i belive that floyd
lied about blind billy , and as such would mean that elis pedigree is also fake, and that mayfield is more than likely correct about both of those dogs, unknown and true heritage.
Floyds own words and timeline of dobs for both billy and his sire dibo along with the facts we know about when tudor got dibo would make it immposible for dibo to have been the sire of blind billy , and i know it hurts many dogmen who have had
a run in with mayfield in the past to say yes he was correct on something ,but i think that with the blind billy /eli story ,no one needs to be a freind or enemy of either man to see which one is lying or incorrect , floyd does that to himself and i would hope randy that you are able to agree with that even if it hurts to say so.

As for you saying that mayfield hid lots of happenings and twisted the truth to make his yard look better , well why dont you explain what you mean, im sure don was no angel, but i dont think he needed to lie about his yard or how his nigger dogs were bred , and we heard how maloney was a jealous man and started lots of strories about nigger , and we can be far more sure of how nigger is bred which i think is well known and maloney as i mentioned earlier even tells mayfield that tombstone has the same dam as his nigger dog , which was baby so that kind of shows maloney for the kind of man he was , which from all accounts he wasnt a very honest guy and petty sneaky type of guy, but thats the dog game .

[No Quarter Kennel]

NQK by the looks of your post it seems like you arethe one trying to run down mayfield ,even
when as it seems that he was right about the dogs mentioned so far in this thread , which
would mean your the jealous one trying to run him down.

Nqk i would agree with you entirely about mayfield being jealous if everytime he said something about the fake peds as mentioned in this thread they all turned out to be just in his imagination, but you know who started those rumours about don being jealous? the guys who owned the dogs he was talking about i wonder why?,and guess what don was right most of the time, so maybe
your perception of a jealous man depends on whos telling you that, i dont think anyone who can add up believes that blind billy or eli were bred as floyd papered them, so maybe you missed the theory and evidence in my post about blind billy and eli , and maybe you can tells us about how old mayfield the jealous guy as you say was wrong on that one .

I don't give a shit how blind billy or eli are bred. I could NOT, in any way, care any less than I already do about ANY dog's breeding that happened 20+ years ago. Not a single one. All I can focus on are the dogs on my yard and the yards of other men I trust and believe. I haven't read hardly anything you've typed on all of this subject b/c I honestly don't care. I skim over what others on this thread type as they are easier to interpret and comprehend. Again, I don't care about the dog's breedings, so therefore, I couldn't care less about what Mayfield has said about anything other than conditioning. That's the only area I am interested in when it comes to something Don Mayfield has said.

You are obviously insanely in love with Don Mayfild and that's your right. Have at it. For me, it doesn't matter what the subject matter is. When a man makes so many attempts to say so many negative things about other people, then I lose respect for them. It gets old man. Every time you talk to a dude and all he does is run others down. Why is that? What is the source of that? Think about it.

Show me where I said something negative about DM as well. I haven't. If someone isn't licking his crack and thinking his jibber jabber that's so hard to understand some times is the gospel, then you think they are being negative. I don't like him b/c he's an extremely negative human being and I have no time for that.

"Ain't nobody got time fa-dat"

Don Mayfield is the greatest Dog Man that ever lived. He's the most honest man that ever lived - more honest than Jesus. He's undefeated, undisputed and KING OF THE WORLD! Every good dog ever bred NOT by Don is a LIE and their pedigrees really all go back to Don Mayfield. Don Mayfield INVENTED the Pit Bull Dog. Don Mayfield - Heavy Weight Beard Champion of The World.

I LOVE DON MAYFIELD.

There - you happy?........BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Merry Freakin Christmas

[No Quarter Kennel]

ProjectX is a liar.
He doesn't have a single audio tape with ANYONE'S voice talking about anything.

I don't believe for one second you have any tapes with anything on them. I think you are making all of this up 100%.

Prove otherwise Truth Teller!

[CYJ]

Thank You very much Foxman for your input. I thought you were still a member on here. I know you knew and lived right there with most of those dog men. Mr. DeCordova had a lot more influence with those dogs around that area than most will credit him to. Cheers

[Foxman]

I'm done. To many so called dreamers on here. What ever they heard from whoever makes it so. They act like they knew those old timers and knew they were honest. Dream on. Did you ever see the series House, Although it was said on a TV series. It is true the statement 'Everybody Lies' You are praising Lawbreakers, Potheads and Bootleggers and you swear they are honest. You have more faith in them than I ever did. What does it matter what was out of what at this point. What does it matter what quit and what didn't quit back then. Genetics is tricky and can't be counted on very often. You will believe what you want to even if I do know the truth. See ya. Randy

[projectx]

I don't give a shit how blind billy or eli are bred. I could NOT, in any way, care any less than I already do about ANY dog's breeding that happened 20+ years ago. Not a single one. All I can focus on are the dogs on my yard and the yards of other men I trust and believe. I haven't read hardly anything you've typed on all of this subject b/c I honestly don't care. I skim over what others on this thread type as they are easier to interpret and comprehend. Again, I don't care about the dog's breedings, so therefore, I couldn't care less about what Mayfield has said about anything other than conditioning. That's the only area I am interested in when it comes to something Don Mayfield has said.

You are obviously insanely in love with Don Mayfild and that's your right. Have at it. For me, it doesn't matter what the subject matter is. When a man makes so many attempts to say so many negative things about other people, then I lose respect for them. It gets old man. Every time you talk to a dude and all he does is run others down. Why is that? What is the source of that? Think about it.

Show me where I said something negative about DM as well. I haven't. If someone isn't licking his crack and thinking his jibber jabber that's so hard to understand some times is the gospel, then you think they are being negative. I don't like him b/c he's an extremely negative human being and I have no time for that.

"Ain't nobody got time fa-dat"

Don Mayfield is the greatest Dog Man that ever lived. He's the most honest man that ever lived - more honest than Jesus. He's undefeated, undisputed and KING OF THE WORLD! Every good dog ever bred NOT by Don is a LIE and their pedigrees really all go back to Don Mayfield. Don Mayfield INVENTED the Pit Bull Dog. Don Mayfield - Heavy Weight Beard Champion of The World.

I LOVE DON MAYFIELD.

There - you happy?........BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Merry Freakin Christmas

NQK you can say what you like about me, but this thread was and is about dogs with fake pedsigres or at leasts ones with a known dubioius heritage, and as such if my mentioning them it is badmouthing them , that unfortunatley goes wth the territory.If you read my posts on this thread before writing you might have seen that the only one i would put my hand on my heart and say is undoubltedly fake is the blind billy and eli peds, with tombstone or the others its more a case of weighing up the facts to hand and the word of the ones around back then and decide which you think makes more sense , and i think i have said that although i tend to favour baby as tombstones dam , anything is possible, so maybe instead of you trying to bad mouth mayfield with no reason at all apart from the fact we disagree on hammonds so you want to hate on mayfield becasue of it ,even when the subject of the truth of such an important bloodline in the history of this bred as the ELI bloodline is up for discussion , you would rather not talk about that but waste your time trying to get at me by bad mouthing mayfield instead of taking an interest in the thread and maybe thinking about that, and what makes me laugh is that in your 2 posts , both of which have said nothing on any of the dogs and all they are is a rant about me and mayfield ,when maybe if you were a serious breeder as you say you are , you might have said something about it ,but of course that would mean having to agree with mayfield on something without sarcasm which you arent man enough to do are you.
Now as for my audio tapes i have a few of them and for you to call me a lair when you have no reason other than not having ever known of them or probably ever talked to mayfield as your obviously a greenhorn regardless of how long youve been breeding dogs, but the fact that i do have them and only wish i had all 400 of them and what i have said is on the tapes is infact on them ,and im sure that i am not the only one who got audio tapes from mayfield ,but i will call cyj and play the audio to him over the phone and then we can see whos a lair , and maybe the next dog i mention will be a little closer to home for you ,then you can get mad , but sometimes the only way a blind man can see is if you force his eyes wide open ,and by god yours need some serious opening thats for sure.

Now NQK when i prove i have the tapes , i will expect a full appology from you which i want you to confrim on this thread before i call a member on this thread who i have never talked to before but i asked him for his number as he seems to be very knwledgable about the game, and i would be happy to call him and he can confirm that he has infact heard the tapes.
Then i expect you will be a man and say SORRY to me,and if you confirm that you will say sorry when confiramtion of the tapes is given , i will go ahead and call this member who i was hoping to talk to anyway so i hope he wont mind if he can do that .

Now NQK by knowing that i am not a lair when you get confirmation of it, that will of course mean that whether i am correct in my beliefs or not in anything i have said to you before today or from this day forward and whether you agree with it or not i hope you can
get you to the realisation that what i have and im saying to you and others is not being said to take sides for the sake of it just becasue i happen to agree with mayfield or disagree with floyd or anyone else for that matter, its becasue i happen to think it has some truth to it ,but not just from blind faith , but from good old common sense and a little research to as best as possible say what i say , and whether you will agree or disagree with me on matters either past present or future , i have never lied or tried to deseive you or anyone else , so in that alone i hope you will never insult me again as you have done about the audios and call me a liar ,because i am not , and when as in the case of an obvious lie's like blind billy or any others that may follow on this thread, i hope you have the courage to admit you see it even if it means agreeing with me and mayfield and maybe having to disagree with one closer to you .