DISPUTED OR FAKE PEDS FROM THE PAST AND PRESENT .

[Foxman]

Tudor didn't ever tell me he imported any dogs. I lived and was raised 10 miles from him. I think I know about as much as anyone about his dogs. There were lots of Henry dogs around for Earl to get from people in the USA. He liked dogs that had been tried. He didn't care how they were bred as long as he could win with them. He constantly took in new bloodlines. He was always adding new stuff to his bloodlines. There is a Amstaff called Ipso Facto added around 1965 to his dogs. He also got a dog in the early days from A Black man at Fox Oklahoma. The dogs name was Dillinger he bred the snot out of him. He was stolen from armitage. Armatage speaks of this dog in his book and the black man but not Earl. I don't believe Earl ever got the papers on that dog. In the late 50's around 59 they fixed it where you could buy liquior in Oklahoma. That killed Earls bootleg business. You don't see him fighting any dogs shortly after that or buying many dogs. Mayfield called his the purest of the purest but they had lots of bloodlines in them. I know. I was at some fights and tudor was setting by a friend of mine and his wife. Tudor kept staring at my friends wife's straddle. All Of a sudden he took his hand and rubbed her between the legs. She got as red as a beet and whispered something to her husband. He got up and moved her on the other side of him away from Earl. Earl went back to watching the fight just like nothing happened. I thought what an idiot. Yet he was drunk. I wouldn't have done that drunk in front of 150 people. He had lots of different bloodlines up to the dibo stuff including that Colby-Dibo cross called Lucky toward the end. Lucky sireds some good dogs. Lots of old timers are not normal. Bill De Cordova was the best most honest dog man I ever met. Jim Williams a lawman was not straight up with me. He robbed me bad once.

[evolutionkennels]

Tudor didn't ever tell me he imported any dogs. I lived and was raised 10 miles from him. I think I know about as much as anyone about his dogs. There were lots of Henry dogs around for Earl to get from people in the USA. He liked dogs that had been tried. He didn't care how they were bred as long as he could win with them. He constantly took in new bloodlines. He was always adding new stuff to his bloodlines. There is a Amstaff called Ipso Facto added around 1965 to his dogs. He also got a dog in the early days from A Black man at Fox Oklahoma. The dogs name was Dillinger he bred the snot out of him. He was stolen from armitage. Armatage speaks of this dog in his book and the black man but not Earl. I don't believe Earl ever got the papers on that dog. In the late 50's around 59 they fixed it where you could buy liquior in Oklahoma. That killed Earls bootleg business. You don't see him fighting any dogs shortly after that or buying many dogs. Mayfield called his the purest of the purest but they had lots of bloodlines in them. I know. I was at some fights and tudor was setting by a friend of mine and his wife. Tudor kept staring at my friends wife's straddle. All Of a sudden he took his hand and rubbed her between the legs. She got as red as a beet and whispered something to her husband. He got up and moved her on the other side of him away from Earl. Earl went back to watching the fight just like nothing happened. I thought what an idiot. Yet he was drunk. I wouldn't have done that drunk in front of 150 people. He had lots of different bloodlines up to the dibo stuff including that Colby-Dibo cross called Lucky toward the end. Lucky sireds some good dogs. Lots of old timers are not normal. Bill De Cordova was the best most honest dog man I ever met. Jim Williams a lawman was not straight up with me. He robbed me bad once.

Randy,

It's an absolute pleasure to have you here with us

[No Quarter Kennel]

I agree - awesome stuff. I was friends with Burton for a while and it was the same thing. Direct, "cool shit" from someone who knew.

[Officially Retired]

I agree - awesome stuff. I was friends with Burton for a while and it was the same thing. Direct, "cool shit" from someone who knew.

The Old Man I knew back in TN matched directly into both Burton (a few times) as well as Mayfield (once).
He beat Burton but lost to Mayfield.

When he faced Mayfield, the Old Man traveled to TX, and after the roadtrip to get there he said Mayfield continued to give him the runaround ...
making the crew first drive here, then drive there, etc. ... before the match actually took place.

When they arrived, the Old Man said Mayfield also had the scales rigged, and so (to make a long story short) Mayfield used a lot more than "conditioning" to win dogfights ...
The man who mentored the Old Man in the 60s (a local dogman named Paul Sweeney) faced and beat Earl Tudor 3-4x.

Jack

[projectx]

The Old Man I knew back in TN matched directly into both Burton (a few times) as well as Mayfield (once).
He beat Burton but lost to Mayfield.

When he faced Mayfield, the Old Man traveled to TX, and after the roadtrip to get there he said Mayfield continued to give him the runaround ...
making the crew first drive here, then drive there, etc. ... before the match actually took place.

When they arrived, the Old Man said Mayfield also had the scales rigged, and so (to make a long story short) Mayfield used a lot more than "conditioning" to win dogfights ...
The man who mentored the Old Man in the 60s (a local dogman named Paul Sweeney) faced and beat Earl Tudor 3-4x.

Jack

Jack if the scales were rigged why the hell did he go on with the fight ? if he could prove the scales were fixed like mayfield proved against other dogmen then the fight would not have gone on , but thats the first i heard of mayfield rigging scales, but you get me more than hearsay jack and i will be the first one to say so not like others one here who never see facts unless its against mayfield so as they say jack show me the money, and it was mayfeild who found out about some other dogmen who HAD RIGGED SOME SCALES and put a stop to it, so maybe your man in TN just lost to the better dog that day , just like benny bob did to jimmie boots after being driven around for hours.

PS jack most all dogmen will try to get an advantage , whether its home soil pit size driving them around a while before getting to the pit or any number of things thaat they feel may give them some small advantage, like the one you mentioned about drivng around a while , well the guys who had jimme boots did that to bennybob , drove them around for 3 hours for security as an excuse , then they find out that the motel was only 5 mins from the pit.
Or keeping a dog hanging on the scale while checking weight is another one and if the owner of the dog allows it to happen thats their stupidty , but claiming that mayfield rigged the scales is maybe your man in TN's gut feeling maybe becasue he lost and like many men before him thought they coudlnt lose and so look for a reason why , even mayfield as mentioned on this thread by CYJ couldnt believe a female of his lost and felt sure she'd been rubbed but just lost to the better dog, but your claim jack like many needs some meat on the bones before saying it , weres the proof ? mayfield proved they were rigging the scales, randy probably knows the story of when mayfield got wise to it and put a stop to it, and its a known story of how theses dogmen rigged the scales and mayfield found them out, but weres your proof other than your mans in TN 's gut feeling .

Of course without knowing who this TN dogman was its a little harder for anyone to check on anything and a little unfair as we mention other men so we have an idea of who they are and whether they also have any bagage to go along with their fame as dogmen, but not knowing who your talking about isnt very easy is it , or what other fights took place that night ,maybe other dogmen who were there might be able to add their 2 cents , but that would need a little more info than your providing other than some hearsay from only one side of at least two possibilties jack .

[CYJ]

How were the Old Man's dogs bred? Did he use one certain bloodline predominately? Very hard to drive that far even having a pound of weight advantage and win. The only way to deal with weighing scales you are not familiar with. Is to have a couple of varying Toledo US Certified weights to check the scale. The Old Man may have done just that. If just a few of you and a whole lot of them. You are not left with many choices if the other group chooses to work against you.

Was a three hour or longer drive to Atlas Brewer's place. Atlas Brewer's side kicks, then drove us around and up and down hill sides for a hour and half. Before our assumed match with him took place. Our dog did get car sick. Turned out it was Mr. Lonzo Pratt we were going into not Atlas. Pratt had been there at the show ring in advance with a rested dog ready to go. CA Jack we had one of those extra good Head/Throat dogs you prefer named Braddock's Mr Clean. Did them no good.

For any dog men that have not traveled to a far away State. With just a handful of you alls and a whole bunch of them alls waiting for you to arrive. It can not always be a pleasant experience.

V. Jackson conditioned a really nice bitch for R. Sweatman named Gold Pudding. Was into Irish Jerry's Pool Hall Red. Was a hard tit for tat match right down to the wire.

When the final scratch came up for Gold Pudding. All Jerry's fans came around to our corner. When Gold Pudding was released they went to foot stomping, caterwauling and beating on any metal object they could. Was enough to spook Sweatman's dog and stall her out. When Gold Pudding got refocused, started over to Pool Hall, she did not beat the count. Was using their referee and there was a lot of Georgia Hill Billy's there that day. Was only four of us.

Momma said they would be days like that. LOL You have to suck it up and move on to something else. Yikes!!!

[Foxman]

I always played a radio real loud and beat two pans together and jumped around while my dogs worked on the treadmill. They were use to loud noise and didn't ever have one spook with my system. If anyone came over I'd have them jump back and forth and scream and do fast movement at them. Then have them back off and repeat that process. You would be surprised what went on in the pit in those days. Earl once told me he used that bitch urine a couple of times. I ask him how that helped him. I said they wash the dogs. He said I ddin't put it on my dog I put it on me. I'd put it on my lower pant leg on one side. Then if the other dog got my dog down I would place my leg by their dog's head so he could get a good smell. He said he had one dog drop a holt and turn away from his dog and turn toward his leg. He would put vicks on his dogs nose before the fight. Earl used something on his dog to help him win. He never would tell me what it was. Danny said Earl told him what it was but he never used it. He always had guys meet at Jim Williams house and Jim would call him so he could prep his dog before they went that 23 miles from Jim's house to Earls's House to fight a dog. He made the remark to me several times. I'd like to think Mr. Booth for that win. There was a Booth drug at Hobart so I knew who he meant. I ask Mr. Booth once what Earl used he got from him to help him win dogfights. He grinned real big and said who told you that. I said Earl. He said then ask him what it was if you want to know. Mre Booth told Earl I ask him that and Earl Teased me about asking Booth that. Randy Fox

[projectx]

These are great stories and very interesting jack, but they need a separate thread as they have nothing to do with this thread , including my reply to your post .

Maybe a thread called (GAINING A FAIR ADVANTAGE FOR THE MATCH OR CHEATING) ? or some such title, anyway jack only you can move post's inoto a new or relavant thread .

[CYJ]

Ditto Foxman. We did too after that incident. I put a TV/VCR in my Building and played loud foot ball games etc. Some times the hard knock way of schooling helps a lot. LOL

In my town there was a dog man that had a deep booming voice and would get down by your dog and holler at him to let his dog go and quit biting my dog. Would holler at your dog when making it's scratch to his dog. Would cover his dog's mouth and head with his hand and arm if you let him get away with it.

Finally one time he was pulling this crap and had his face down close to both dogs. The opponent's dog released his hold to try and take a good bite hold on this guy's face. Missed his face by a mill second. He got right white looking in the Face. Look like he was going to pass out. From then on he stopped a lot of those shenanigans. LOL

I think this topic is about done far. I like war stories much better. LOL Mr. Fox if you wish, post something on the Tudor's Runt/Dibo story. Mr. Skinner told me about this back in the early 70's. Start a new topic. Enough has been said on this subject. At least for me anyway. Cheers

[Foxman]

CYJ, Most everyone knows that' I think'. About Dibo being Runt for a while. I had a female who sure out of Runt and Dam was out of Dibo. So she was inbred on Dibo. I'm not sure why he did all the paper changing. Earl told me once if you want to be famous. Get you a good dog and put your papers on him. I didn't ever ask Earl about that Dibo=Runt deal. Maloney told me about it originally. I believe he didn't have the papers he desired so he used them. I still wonder to this day how Dibo was bred. He doesn't look like his ancestors to me but I think the last se of papers might be right, Because why would you change the first to the second set unless you thought the second was right and the first set were wrong. Project-X thinks we are straying from the subject. But proving the only pure strain comes from a guy that lies about the papers and cheats in dogfights, Is just part of the testimony breaking down Project-x' Dream. Mayfield also stole a dog from Fitzawater when after they made friends later on in life. Mayfield confessed. Just some testimony showing Mayfield isn't a God and his Earl wasn't an upstanding guy either. Earl ended up with several stolen dogs throught his life. Earl's own Brother -in-law Flo's brother shot him once. Earl had been shot five or six times. Does that sound like a God.