Coyote

[skipper]

We as pitbull owners should know what its like to get your dogs judged by people who have no idea what they are talking about, therefore my statement. English is not my native tongue, so forgive me if sometimes my points aren't very clear.
If you live in an area with dangerous carnivorous that are a threat to your dogs, first priority should be to keep the dogs protected in kennels. Period! Thats basic horse sense to me. Guess further discussion on the topic is unnecessary since if kept in kennels they aren't threatened anymore. But if bently would need a breed of dogs to protect him, his family or his animals from dangerous animals there aren't a better breed for the job.

[Officially Retired]

We as pitbull owners should know what its like to get your dogs judged by people who have no idea what they are talking about, therefore my statement. English is not my native tongue, so forgive me if sometimes my points aren't very clear.

I am not judging the dog, I am judging its USE.

Regardless of the language you speak, you have to recognize the difference.
I love pit bulls too, but they ARE killers (hell they used to be CALLED "kill dogs"), and I would not use them to guard other dogs. Especially other aggressive dogs. That would be insane.

Pit bulls are great as catch dogs, kill dogs, fighting dogs, etc. ... but (since I *do* understand THEIR USE) I sure as hell wouldn't choose to use them to guard other aggressive animals. Again, that would be daft.

And I am making the same point with these giant dogs of yours
I am 100% sure they ARE great at running off animals (hell, I would run my ass off if I saw one, LOLOL) ... but they sure aren't great for "guarding" smaller, aggressive dogs IMO.

If you live in an area with dangerous carnivorous that are a threat to your dogs, first priority should be to keep the dogs protected in kennels. Period! Thats basic horse sense to me. Guess further discussion on the topic is unnecessary since if kept in kennels they aren't threatened anymore.

Yes, if I lived in an area where there were grizzlies, mountain lions, etc., I absolutely would have my dogs in kennels ... with heavy wire ... and smaller chicken wire so the dogs can't put their noses through and get ravaged.

Jack

[skipper]

Just to be clear i never said you should use pitbulls as guard dogs. Imo theres only one use for pitbulls, two if you count that they make lovely pets. I get your point jack, i wouldn't use ovtjarkas either unless my dogs were fenced. But if my dogs are fenced they are a great way of keeping wild animals away.
Running only makes it worse LOL Stay your ground, make yourself big and bluff like a mofo LOL

[Officially Retired]

Just to be clear i never said you should use pitbulls as guard dogs. Imo theres only one use for pitbulls, two if you count that they make lovely pets.

You did say to use these ... which is why I was trying to say you're just putting one threat to your dogs to run off another.

I get your point jack, i wouldn't use ovtjarkas either unless my dogs were fenced. But if my dogs are fenced they are a great way of keeping wild animals away.

You originally just said, "Make sure he grows up with the dogs though," and that's not good enough IMO.

With this clarification, of guarding dogs already protected behind proper double-fencing, we now agree

Running only makes it worse LOL Stay your ground, make yourself big and bluff like a mofo LOL

LOL, and bring toilet paper

[EWO]

I went to an all-breed working weekend some years back down in Georgia. There were two 'Varks, as they are affectionately called, there. They were not friendly or overly aggressive to anything around. They pretty much laid around and watched the activities that were in the area. They were not as big as the pictured ones above, big, but not monstrous like the above pictured dogs.

They put them in a pasture with an Australian Shepherd that was herding sheep in and out of "mock corrals". The 'Varks again just watched. For a display they brought two Filas to the outside of the corral and approached them as strangers. They were getting nasty toward the two trespassers and both of those 'Varks fired up and went to the fence with a lot of ill intent. I am thinking that either the trespasser or the Filas (coyotes/feral, packed up mongrels) would have played hell if they crossed that fence.

The owner of the 'Varks told us they were not dog aggressive to one another, nor to the sheep/goats on their property. What they were aggressive to was things (people/animals) that did not belong in that pasture. They are very territorial and very "one-family" type dogs.

Now I would not think the two I saw are completely indicative of the entire breed or that all of them are like those two. If I did think that way I would say the two dogs in the picture were not raised together and viewed each other as the threat but that would be nothing more than an assumption.

Hard to say. I owned Filas for a number of years and those one-owner/territorial/defensively drive dogs are far more of an liability that an asset. EWO

[gabbagabbahey]

Amazing seeing the size of them in that picture. Reminds me of the Disney movie with a giant dog in it.
Not for me,but I can now understand a wee bit on their purpose.
Skipper,if the wildlife in your country is as you said then I may well tell my friend to borrow me one as a minder,when I visit !!

[skipper]

Skipper,if the wildlife in your country is as you said then I may well tell my friend to borrow me one as a minder,when I visit !!

Haha. I live in the middle of a wolf territory, but to this day i have only seen one with my own eyes. I was really close to a bear encounter a couple of years back, fresh kill and i could smell him. But never seen one. Bobcats never seen. They are around here and u see tracks of them pretty often. But to actually see one is rare. Elks and deers is what i see mostly. Honestly though i prefer to meet a bear than a fucking wild boar. Nasty nasty animals.

[waccamaw]

Just get a donkey or llama

[bently]

Just get a donkey or llama

are you serious? a donkey, i would think that the coyotes would just try to gang up on a donkey and have them for a meal?

[SteelyDan]

A jack ass can be mean as the day is long.