They are still lying, cheating people out of money, stealing dogs and selling bullshit. I think it has stayed the course
They are still lying, cheating people out of money, stealing dogs and selling bullshit. I think it has stayed the course
Ditto Foxman. When Mr. Davis showed ole Boomerang against a young dog of Mr. Teals. We were up in the mountains and several Highway Patrolman and deputies were present at this multi dog show. Was a weird feeling indeed.
Back then there was even a Veterinarian with a fellow dog partner that matched a few dogs. Another Veterinarian attended some of the Florida dog shows. To get real time on site information to help Mr. Davis' and company's dogs to perform better in the show ring or dog pulling events. Cheers
I met many what you call "old heads" that didn't have any love for the dog in the sense you speak. Most people don't do what's right for their dogs 100% of the time. I know I haven't. People that do that kind of thing 100% of the time have always been in the minority. Sadly, it's not usually brought on by things mentioned in the thread.Originally Posted by rodburner
The days of picking up simply are not gone unless that's the type of man someone deals with regularly. I've seen more picking up by people the last 10 years than I ever saw in the first 10+ years. Picking up a dog opens up another conversation that I'm sure has been hashed and rehashed.
People have always left dogs down too long for various reasons just like they've "plugged them in" afterwards if the dog didn't perform as expected or for whatever reason said owner needed.
I agree with EWO's sentiment on what's changed in the sport overall.
Statistics are probably all the same. More dogs, more people, good bad and ugly.
You are an ole timer, the VET that went to alot of those shows as well as "BOOMERANG's" had a Dog Named "WALDO" out of C. "RENO x MISS SPIKE" we got quite of few dogs from him when I was just starting around '75...Those were the good ole days, wouldn't you say. ???
Ditto Browning, that was the Golden Era for sure. Over Time most of those multi dog shows slowly brought the attention of stricter law enforcement personnel and politicians fuelled on by the Humane Dike Society.
Can not remember all those fellows names. Seems it was Strickland, McDougal, Nelson, Ramsey, Divine, Waldrop. Never got to meet J Carver. Did see the Waldo dog and A. Howle bought that old Cotton's Bullet dog named Sambo. That Mr. Shivar formerly owned from I believe McDougal.
That veterinarian was the one who added that Upjohn predisone product to the azium and how to best use it. I am pretty sure He also developed that Steroid keep that Ozzie liked so much.
What V. Jackson learned from Mayfield and the Florida group. Made him hard to beat with the medium to small weight dogs. Which is what we had at that time. V. Jackson was nick named the Bitch dog man as he did so well with the female dogs. Did show some males, just had a knack for getting the most out of a bitch dog.
When those Florida boys rolled into N.C. and S.C. with those Carver bred dogs. A better feed, work and drug keep. The game made a big change again. The dried out and pulled to minimum weight dogs could not handle the wetter stronger hard mouth Carver dogs. Those early 70's and 80's Carver bred dogs were some of the best blood back then.
Even Mr. E. Skinner who was a big fan of the Cotton's Bullet/Hemphill/Lightner dogs agreed that Maurice Carver was going to have a great impact on the future bloodlines of the A.P.B.T. Was his opinion which today has proven to be almost 100% correct.
Irish Jerry at that time was just getting started. Had not at that time made that trip out to M. Carver to buy some dogs. Jerry was clowning around at one of the get to gathers with Nelson. Wanted to finger wrestle with Nelson. Nelson calmly broke his finger right then and there. Nelson was no one to mess around with. LOL Cheers
Yes it was a different group that we will nevr see again, Some of the ones I'm sure you know and maybe seen, that we also run with was J. Lee (Chivo Dogs), J. Hand ( Midnight Cowboy Dogs) and H.H. which just bred best to best LOL!!!. My Mentor (Euel Brown) was good friends with Jerry "DOC" Waldrop and he got us a lot of dogs from Baker, and a dog named "Thorntons "SMARTY" which was "Buster' bred back to His Dam "Art's Missy". I remember seeing Jarrett's "HEAD" take a part a Cowboy dog that D. Cousins owned, also Turlington's "DipStick" which he won that one, but later you know the story about Turlington When he put up a mortgage on his house and LOST and ended up killing himself over that. To go into another Dogman I knew quite a Bit about was the "Divines" before they moved to Ocala they lived in Plant City, Fl. about 20 mins. away from us, he was remembered for the great one with "ACE vs. Hudson's Tex" after that long battle out in Texas, then he had a son of Ace named "Little Ace" which had won 1 or 2 and so we being a thorn in his side we Match into "Little Ace" with a Doubled- Davis "Sister" dog bred to "Chivo" named Browns/Pettus "IRONSIDES" he was an assasin Killer dog, and 1/2 way thru the keep they Paid a Forfeit. We had already whipped a couple of his dogs with a Dog named Pettus's "Crimson Tide" the best they come up with out of the "Cowboy" blood. He was bred to 1 of our very good broods named Browns "Barabra" bred to a male out of Divines "Bruce" that B. Paul had named "Rascal". Anyway some of the guys that run with that group were Larry Coleman that loved the Old Red Nose stuff down from "Cassius" & Max "WISE" dogs. You also may have known a good friend of mine that his name was Larry Kelley which actually owned Divines "JODY" out of (Cowboy x Patty) He was a Arm Wrestler and I won more on him at the Matches then the dogs, Never seen him Lose.
I have paid Att. to some of your post, but I never see you with what we Like, was wondering if any one keep the Jarrett's "Head" alive the Boomerang stuff worked well with our (L. Buster) dogs with a 1/4 of it for Mouth. We had the Gameness ( Enough to Win) but Boomer would help thru the "Zeb" & Bruce" stuff. Me & Larry Kelley went and saw "ZEB's" 2nd one and he was probably in the top 10 of the old ones I've seen. And if these new guys think that they could Win against that caliber dogs I've mentioned then they are smoking some good S**t. Well I could go on & on about Ms. Loposay, Joe Orday, J. Lee, Lamar Mills ( Mills Ch. SHORTEYE) which me & Aubrey pettus was over at his house a couple of weeks ago, he was always trying to whip our dogs with that "Cowboy" stuff, but we went 4 for 4 against those dogs. LOL!!!
You know what we like if you look up Pettus "Bad News II" may be under Edwards, that is me and I bred a Chivo/Patty Female to Davis "SCRATCH" and got a dog named Edwards "PRECIOUS" that gave us a Female ( Named Glass's JODY"that put away H.H. Ch. "Brandy" Dam ( She was a very Game dog) of "Rufus" and she was only 22 months old, so take a look and let me know if you have something I would be interested in. I run with a guy from Ga. that knows you, and he said you have the good stuff or know where it is, but you also sell some Shiteaters to these newbees. LOL!!! So lets not start off that way not with me. LOL!!! So you can add to this summery if "JACK" don't mind, I have not mentioned anyone that is active in any illegal activity these days, and I am not either and have not for 20 yrs., but still have a few of our ole stuff and about 5 of us keep it alive & well.
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When I was around Earl Tudor, Jim Williams, Danny Burton, Bill De Cordova, Bob Neblett or Bert Clouse and many more Bulldog Men. I never heard them cuss or use God's name in Vain. Some of them were on the wild side but still they had their values. They may have cussed some where else. Yet I never heard them cuss around me. I might slip up occcasionally and say a four letter cuss word but I've never used God's name in Vain ever since birth. Now that is more than I can say about some of the people on pedigree's online and their filthy mouths. I've never heard anyone in the old days make threats about Children's rectums or any threat's about children. I'm not sure that is a example of most of todays dogmen or not. I do not run with any of todays dogmen. I'm sorry if I've hurt someone's feelings. You don't have to talk bad to be tough. Some of the toughest dogmen I've known are soft spoken men.
Ditto Browning, I have not had any dogs for close to 40 years now. I knew all the above mentioned dog men. Another was Swetman that ran with Hargrove etc. I was there that day that Turlington lost that dog show. I too along with many others was blown away when the dog just up and quit on top. Am very sorry to hear he took his life over that. I remember how sick he looked was almost green looking like a sea sick person. I would have hated to go home and face my family over that sort of incident.
The last bloodlines I was working on was mostly a Bullyson/Art's Missy dogs with some Mayfield/Eli out and crossed to my J. Young's Chuck dog. The Chuck dog was a Creel bred dog that S. McNeil bought direct from M. Carver. I had future plans to cross the best of those dogs to some good Bolio bred dogs. The Hollingworth's dogs would have been a good choice.
I had let V.J. run with the older stock dogs we had years back. I later let him breed his Tunney dog to my Face bitch and my Monkey bitch. Let him have both litters. He had preferred to use his Son dog that was a full sibling to Tunney but Son got killed in a kennel accident.
To get a idea of what the last dogs I was breeding were all about. Pull up V. Jackson's Harley and J. Young's Southern Man. I had used another little stud dog named Zetterquest brother's Crazy Critter bred to Face as well. I had Monkey bred to Critter and she was poisoned right on the day of delivery. While I was called out of town to work on a Sunday. A year before that Someone came on my dog yard and broke my Chuck dog's back. Someone was not wanting me to get this bloodline up and running.
The best of those dogs, the V. Jackson's Harley dog came out of got killed in a Texas flash flood. Two of the best ones Tango and Cash got shot by V.J. 's pissed off next door neighbor. Dennis Jones had one of those sibling dogs to Harley. He may have bred this dog some, but was later killed in a H.S. dog raid along with the rest of his dogs.
Your friend that told you I sold POS dogs to newbies is in great Error. I was not in the dog game to sell dogs. Was just a hobby and passion of mine. To the best of my memory I never sold but a handful of dogs as pups. K. Sineath bought a few pups from me many years back. Another was Young's Red Lady sold back to Scotty McNeil. Another I sold was a nice looking pup off my J. Young's Bruno dog to a newbie named Williams for $300.00.
Later when Williams too early in this young dog's age wanted to school it. I advised him not to. He insisted and I let it roll with ole Bruno since both dogs were large dogs. The young dog showed a fault and I pointed it out. Offered to replace with another breeding. But some can not see or hear what is said even when you try to help them. This young dog had a lot of natural potential but showed a fault which I saw in it's eyes and a bad head move. Seasoned dog men know what I mean about that.
Williams later matched into Braham's Snake dog. Gave Snake a rough time and had Snake looking bad. I told V.J. not to bet on Williams' dog as it was probably a hell on wheels Cur for around 30 to 40 minutes. He did not believe me cause the dog was looking so good. He bet a good bet and lost it around the 35 to 40 minute mark. LOL
Williams kept that dog and used it for a roll dog. K. Marlowe use to check out some of her Red Boy dogs on that Williams dog. Cheers
i have a CD of Tudor, Sparks, Corvino, Clark, Trahan having a conversation. Great CD. Tudor is cussing up a storm on it. Cock sucker this and cock sucker that.
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