TFX, if you don't mind, is there any particular way that we could see the dogs being bred? Personally, I'm very interested to look at the breedings that have been made to get you to this particular place in your program.
TFX, if you don't mind, is there any particular way that we could see the dogs being bred? Personally, I'm very interested to look at the breedings that have been made to get you to this particular place in your program.
Kloos & Cucamonga's Waycross to Kloos & Cucamonga's Arana. Then select the 14 generation option and you will see the Inbreeding Coefficient that I previously mentioned. I should note here that Waycross is 6 months old, so I have at least another 6 months or so until I can stick him to his dam.
Now, as a disclaimer let me say that this is the shittiest standard for breeding that I have ever employed since I got involved in the game dog game back in 1988, an untested puppy back to his untested dam. Let me also say, that everything prior to these two since 1990 were either proven in legit shows, or severely tried and found to be worthy before they were ever bred.
So in a breeding like this, I am banking on a few things, and fighting a few others. I am banking on my observation of more than 25 years breeding this family of dogs that the performance and physical traits tend to resurface 4-6 generations later. It is not like there are any real punk dogs anywhere in this mating other than untested parents of unknown quality, but if you look at the 5th and 6th generation here, you have some dogs that are arguably some of the best in the history of our breed CH Bad Billy ROM, CH Chinaman, ROM, GR CH Andy Capp ROM, as well as many other notable performers like Hollingsworth Ruby (2XW), Whatsonsecond (2XW), CH Costello, Black Ace(2XW), Coal Cat (1XW), Peaches (2xW), among others. Even in the first few generations you have some really good bulldogs that I know everything about firsthand. In addition, the genetic variables are greatly reduced with this level of inbreeding, so the possibility that some kind of freakish, ace pit dog could come out of a tight inbreeding like this is quite likely, and the probability that solid performing, well conformed game dogs is almost a certainty, it's just a matter of how many and how good. Naturally, there also exists the possibility of a cull or two as well, we simply call that reality.
Now, the thing working against a person doing a mating like this is that as we progress in our level of inbreeding, the likelihood that dogs take after their parents rather than a more distant ancestor is significantly increased. So, while I am breeding to and somewhat banking on the 2nd generation and beyond; because I know the quality of the animals there, the inbreeding is working against me a bit in that these 99% inbred pups have a much higher chance than your average 3% inbred litter of coming out like the parents, and NOT like their more distant ancestors. Inbreeding increases prepotency, for better or for worse. So, at the very moment that my selectivity should be at it's all time most stringent standard, I am making a slight concession due to an endangered bloodline and some fucked up laws. With that said, I would rather feed dogs bred like this than anything else on the planet because I could never know another line the way I do this one. Lots of people have a "gut feel" about pups or dogs in their kennel, but it is based on pure speculation. Conversely, the kind of experience I have with this particular family cannot be had in any other way than working with them for more than half of my life, and all of my adult life, so it isn't bullshit speculation, it is firsthand knowledge and recognition of the genetics expressing themselves in a way I am already very familiar with. I wouldn't trade that knowledge and my influence on this line for some leaf chasing, rock eating, house fighting, chain pulling, hit anything that moves, fool headed barker, even if it was a Double Grand Champion, because that 10XW could NEVER produce animals that I like as consistently as my own dogs can.
Hey there amigo ... I took the liberty of editing your post to reflect the breeding
Originally Posted by TFX
BTW, your whole post was an absolutely excellent one, and spot-on; however, I couldn't help but lmao at your closing line
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When you are line breeding or outcrossing you need a plan and strict breeding practice ,(select genes ) always breed good to good when possible .
Well......you've been there and you know exactly what I am talking about, right? It's like someone serving me fish for dinner "no thanks!". Now, some people like fish, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just not my thing. Thanks for editing Jack, I am not as savvy with this forum as I have been past versions, nor do I have the time to become an expert. I barely have time to throw up the occassional post.BTW, your whole post was an absolutely excellent one, and spot-on; however, I couldn't help but lmao at your closing line
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