Redboy / jocko has made more dead game dogs !

[AmericanDogMan]

I read that, went out ran three of my dogs on the mill just out of guilt. EWO

Me too! Jack made me want to body fat test my dog's; f*ck that them hounds is getting on the mill 3x's a week flirt 3x's a week whether in keep or not.



http://www.slipperybrick.com/2007/06...ody-fat-meter/


The last two pics of some of my dog's are some 6 & 5 month old puppies respectively... Puppy fat...

All and all them f*ckers is still getting in better shape.

[Nextlevel]

I know I'm a little late to this particular thread, but I had a giggle at this. No disrespect to the kennels listed

BUT, I have to agree with Jack.

Dogs from WCC MAULED the competition during the 90s with probably more Ch., Gr.Ch., ROMs, and winners than ANY kennel producing dogs at that time. What you won't find are any Redboy/Jocko dogs there. STP anyone? Bellon Club? I'm sure I could sit here and actually think of a TON more people that used zero of those dogs in their breeding program. I happen to like RBJ dogs, and I cut my teeth on those dogs in the 90s off and down from Voyles' Little John, whose parents came straight from Fletcher.

You do realize that STP and Bellon Club both used redboy jocko bred hounds also right?

[Officially Retired]

You do realize that STP and Bellon Club both used redboy jocko bred hounds also right?

These guys USED a few RBJ dogs, true. A few.

But these dogs were NOT either their "most-often-used" ... nor their BEST ... and these dogs are also not what they KEPT and BRED

Jack

[waccamaw]

I would strongly disagree.but it is like coke and Pepsi,whatever your flavor is .is naturally gonna be the best.even though old SDJ reports clearly show RBJ in the lead in the 90's
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[Officially Retired]

even though old SDJ reports clearly show RBJ in the lead in the 90's
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Actually, that is not even remotely true either.

In fact, in the 90s, Fat Bill (in the editorial of his American Gamedog Times magazine) used to call the Journal "The Jeep/Buck" Journal ... not because RBJ dogs were in there the most ... but because Jeep/Buck (Crenshaw/STP) dogs were in there the most.

I actually think Jeep/Rascal and Eli dogs dominated ... and Boyles dogs were in there a bunch too ... and, of course, RBJ dogs were in there as well. (I mean, hey, it's a great line.)

But your statement "all the good dogs" come from this line is so false it would do everyone some good if you just retracted it

Jack

[FrostyPaws]

You do realize that STP and Bellon Club both used redboy jocko bred hounds also right?

I know STP used Revenge, Lukane, and maybe a few others here and there. But you won't find them using much of that blood throughout their entire career. The Bellon Club used THEIR own dogs for the most part, and if you search through their breeding program, there was ONE dog with RBJ that was used. Short of that, they used their own dogs for over 2 decades, so I wouldn't even venture to say that they, or STP, used those dogs with any regularity through the time period we're talking about.

[Nextlevel]

I know STP used Revenge, Lukane, and maybe a few others here and there. But you won't find them using much of that blood throughout their entire career. The Bellon Club used THEIR own dogs for the most part, and if you search through their breeding program, there was ONE dog with RBJ that was used. Short of that, they used their own dogs for over 2 decades, so I wouldn't even venture to say that they, or STP, used those dogs with any regularity through the time period we're talking about.

You got to love it.......and I quote (What you want find is any RBJ dogs there.....) when in fact both had major success with it......

[waccamaw]

Actually, that is not even remotely true either.

In fact, in the 90s, Fat Bill (in the editorial of his American Gamedog Times magazine) used to call the Journal "The Jeep/Buck" Journal ... not because RBJ dogs were in there the most ... but because Jeep/Buck (Crenshaw/STP) dogs were in there the most.

I actually think Jeep/Rascal and Eli dogs dominated ... and Boyles dogs were in there a bunch too ... and, of course, RBJ dogs were in there as well. (I mean, hey, it's a great line.)

But your statement "all the good dogs" come from this line is so false it would do everyone some good if you just retracted it

Jack

What fat bill was talking about ,jack Kelly and Crenshaw being best of friends ,not to mention who ever spent the most money in the mag with paid adds .i I never said that RBJ were the only good dogs

[Officially Retired]

You got to love it.......and I quote (What you want find is any RBJ dogs there.....) when in fact both had major success with it......

1. Want = desire; Won't = "will not" and is the word you're trying to use.

2. The statement was made by Wac that "all the good dogs" that are produced are RBJ in nature ... which is a flat-out fallacy.

3. The other statement made by Wac is that RBJ dogs are "the best" and "kill the most" dogs ... which is another flat-out fallacy.

4. I don't think Bellon Club used many RBJ dogs, mostly Eli and Crenshaw/Eli dogs ... and certainly their absolute BEST, KILLINGEST dogs didn't have a drop of RBJ blood in there (negating #3).

5. While STP did use several RBJ dogs ... he got rid of them afterward ... and he BRED mostly Boyles'-type dogs (aside from Buck) ... and his BEST dog, again, didn't have a drop of RBJ in there: it was Buck, the 1/2-brother to Hollingsworth's Lady In Red.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

What fat bill was talking about ,jack Kelly and Crenshaw being best of friends ,not to mention who ever spent the most money in the mag with paid adds .i I never said that RBJ were the only good dogs

You said exactly that. Here is what you said, at the top and bottom of Page 1:

It is a known fact that the redboy / jocko dogs have made more dogs dead game !!

No, but these dogs on average have it all.smarts ,heart ,mouth ,and drive.ever noticed how all the good ones are redboy / jocko or have red boy / jocko in them.

Those are the statements that I, and other, knowledgeable dogmen are having trouble swallowing.

No one is suggesting RBJ dogs aren't good, some truly great.
No one is suggesting that it isn't an all-time great bloodline.

What is being disputed is 1) that this line has made MORE dogs "dead game" than any other (which I assume means killed more dogs than any other), and 2) that "all the good ones" are of this bloodline. They simply are not.

You have made two false statements IMO.

It's not the end of the world ... but it does provide a lot of room for debate

Jack