This has been a great tread so far, some really interesting stuff here, fair play to everybody for there inputs.
This has been a great tread so far, some really interesting stuff here, fair play to everybody for there inputs.
Swamp, I've been around RBJ dogs since '92. When it comes to those dogs, I've never seen any that I would feed over the Voyles' Little John dogs from then OR now. Those dogs are still competing at any level. I'm well aware of what QUALITY RBJ dogs can do as I'm well aware what QUALITY (insert line here) can do. If you've followed this thread through it's entirety, you would see what I've said at least once that I was a fan of RBJ dogs, but the original statement is silly. I still have dogs with RBJ blood coursing through their veins, and you certainly don't me well enough to know who I know or don't know when it comes to those dogs.Originally Posted by swampdawg
A top quality dog from any line can compete at any level.
They're both great and probably the reason they joined up to make history. In this day and age in this big World unofficial or official no one really knows.... both are great hog hunters nevertheless, and there always seems to be something better if you know how that goes. Jmo
As you said voles got his dogs straight from fletcher Chavis ,so did we and only lived 2 hrs from him .and about what jack said out west dogs ,ever think where most of those dogs come from ,sc ,nc ,ga .now let's see what are from this area ,mt.man,mr burns ,Crenshaw,tant,FB,tom garner,Cham,untouchables,gaston,Hargrove ,fletcher Chavis ,pit bull Rick,Texas Ron ,Vernon Jackson before he left ,perry ,Powell,BM of hardcore,,Barney,Larry combs ,willy Nelson ,gainey.and a lot I will leave out .i don't know but I think a lot of those out west dogs came from some of these guys from the east .
Wacc, while I think where dogs come from initially may have some relevant meaning, how the end up years down the road (better or worse) is solely dependent on the people with those dogs and working them. I'm sure there are plenty of dogs all over the world that weren't up to ANYONE'S standards when sold, but later on through dedication and smart breeding, the new owners made those dogs better. If the dogs on the west coast are still successful from those men, it isn't because of those men. It is because of the owners NOW and their ability to continue to improve upon what they originally bought. Because Voyles got Double Trouble and Sexy from Fletcher in the 80s doesn't mean those dogs competed at the level they did, and do now, because they came from him. They did that due to what Voyles bred, schooled, and put out there over the decades since then. I can list names of men that have sent dogs all over the world, and while the initial success is due to them most of the time, the continuing success isn't.
The reason I oped that was you made it a point to say voles got his dogs straight from Chavis.and jack made the statement about out west in comparison to sc .what I was getting at most of the so called great dog men cane from the east coast .like you said voles got his great dogs from sc .
Yes, he got his dogs straight from Fletcher. That is true. But what he did afterwards was all his doing not Fletcher's doing. Double Trouble and Sexy weren't outstanding dogs. Little John himself wasn't an outstanding dog. I never said he got great dogs from Fletcher. What Voyles and Little John produced were some outstanding dogs, and that was due to the breeding decisions Voyles made himself. It had little to do with dogs coming from Fletcher.
Some of the best dogs I've ever had/seen were from a obscure breeder from Oklahoma. The ability to breed quality dogs, or quality dogs themselves, don't all originate on the East Coast. I'm in the South. I've lived all over this country and in Canada. None of the best dogs I've ever seen were bred by someone on the East Coast. As for your definition of great dogmen and mine, well, I'd say that while there are some common agreements, I wouldn't put every name you had in the "great" dogman category.
Well they are not great in my eyes either ,but a lot thought they were.what I was getting at a fella did not have to go across the country when a big share of them was already here .by the way where was ole man Hollingsworth from?
East coast ,west coast don't mean much to me ,all lines are spread all over the country and world now ,it actually comes to the smarts and common sense the man has .
I agree with that statement.
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