Redboy / jocko has made more dead game dogs !

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Frosty trust me when I say redboyjocko blood is still alive.You dont know the right people that still run the blood.They can compete at any level but most have gone underground because of the times we live in today.

You have a comprehension disorder.

Frosty never said that RBJ isn't "still alive" ... he said the idea that these "pure Redboy dogs are all game" is a fallacy.
Same as he said thinking all Bolio dogs are "world class athletes" is a fallacy. And it is.

Frosty has been in the game longer than most on this thread and can probably make whatever "contacts" he needs to.

If you would learn to read better, Swamp, you wouldn't go off on tangents like this.

Waccamaw made the statement that people, "need some redboy for heart (gameness ) and jocko for the mouth."

Frosty said no one he has ever heard of goes to "Jocko for mouth" ... and he said most pure Redboy dogs aren't game anymore.
He believes that whatever gameness they used to be known for has been bred out of most individuals.

He never said anything about RBJ dogs being gone ... he picked apart that above statement Wac made.

Most people I know DON'T go to Redboy dogs for gameness ... only a select few in the south might ... but most people I know go for some kind of Carver/Bolio or Clouse-bred dog for gameness.
And most people I know go to some kind of Eli-bred dog for mouth.

And a lot of people (who actually live somewhere besides the Carolinas) do too.

Jack

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The reason I oped that was you made it a point to say voles got his dogs straight from Chavis.and jack made the statement about out west in comparison to sc .what I was getting at most of the so called great dog men cane from the east coast .like you said voles got his great dogs from sc .

Most of the great dogmen came from the east coast? Really?

What all-time great names are better than Tudor and Carver, who were western dogmen?

Seems to me, most eastern dogmen got their foundation dogs from western dogmen

Jack

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You can add Patrick's name to that ... Hollingsworth, Boyles, and STP all got their very best dogs from that western breeder also

[waccamaw]

You can add Patrick's name to that ... Hollingsworth, Boyles, and STP all got their very best dogs from that western breeder also

There you go .so one would not have to go west being the west has made east .but where did the Patrick get his dogs .

[waccamaw]

Most of the great dogmen came from the east coast? Really?

What all-time great names are better than Tudor and Carver, who were western dogmen?

Seems to me, most eastern dogmen got their foundation dogs from western dogmen

Jack

This can go on and on ,but you nc look back in their Peds and it goes back east .

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There you go .so one would not have to go west being the west has made east.

Right. Exactly. The west made the east.

but where did the Patrick get his dogs .

From the western dogmen Carver and Mayfield

This can go on and on ,but you nc look back in their Peds and it goes back east .

Yes it can, but the best, most historical, most influential dogmen are not from North Carolina ... they're western dogmen.

The great western dogmen are the ones who set the eastern dogmen up

In fact, Tom Garner got his two most influential dogs (Chinaman and Frisco) from the western dogman Vince Romero.
All his other dogs (even the ones with Crenshaw in them) came from the west, as Crenshaw likewise got his best dogs from the western dogman Maurice Carver also.

Jack

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Howard Heinzl was a very influential Western dogman. Just sayin

[swampdawg]

Bass,Teal,Skinner,Hemphill,Oneal,Colby and the list goes on

[evolutionkennels]

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i wish this was 25 years ago