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    Quote Originally Posted by BRICKFACE View Post
    if I was a MOD I would have locked this thread b4 it turned this ugly...smh

    Well, sometimes ugly is necessary.

    Sorry about that, if it offends some people, but when a man stands up and screams something's "the best" he should at least have THE FACTS to back it up.

    The whole point of this resource, Search Engine, and Statistics Page, is to separate FACTS from "claims" ...

    Sonny couldn't stick to the facts.
    Again, all you gotta do is plug-in 5xW on the search engine ... then raise the bar to 6xW ... then 7xW ... then 8xW ... and watch those RBJ dogs disappear off the map ... while the Eli, Eli/Carver and a few others remain on there. Again, this database has nearly 40,000 dogs in it now, and the facts are right there to be seen as to WHICH dogs are the baddest of the bad.

    All Sonny had to do is 1) roll out that list I asked him for, or 2) admit such a list was puny compared to other crosses, retract his statements, and admit he was wrong.

    Yeah, RBJ dogs are a good, solid line ... but they're NOT the killingest.

    I was able to admit Sonny was right on another topic last year (which moment he always tries to re-live), but the FACTS are against him here.
    Unfortunately, Sonny does not have the ability to a) admit he was wrong or b) shut up.
    Instead, he wants to call me a "liar" (when I have listed actual facts and actual dogs), and a "fool" (even though the facts are against him, not me).

    I agree, we should be able to have a civil dialogue about dog quality.
    Normally, intelligent, honest people just roll-out the facts, compare them, and let the chips fall where they may.

    I have been trying to do this all along, produce FACTS for an interesting debate, and Sonny keeps changing the subject to something else.
    Until finally he just wants to "go there," call names, and dredge-up that past.
    But I am down for that too, as (once again) the facts are with me, not him.

    Jack

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    It's actually still a debate. Nobody threatening lives or family.. it's two men who have a string opinion on the subject. I just remembered something Cuban missing link once told me. He said, " Those redboy jocko dogs are gaaaame. But just add a quarter Hollingsworth, and they are deadgame. " I think that sums it up.

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    A succinct summation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    Huh? Wow, you make up pure BS.

    Verified by Andy Lewis? Are you kidding me?
    Andy was the one who told me that bitch he got from you was "a straight killer" ... and it proved to be nothing but pure, made-up, childlike, wanna-be bullshit.
    She's the bitch who couldn't see the better side of 5 minutes with two smaller bitches. It was clear she had never been rolled once and had ZERO pit savvy.
    Andy actually flipped out and shit himself when my Pantera decimated his bitch. Andy actually asked for a handle ... against my puppy ... and I refused.
    Then he started screaming, "I want a handle, Goddamnit!!" ... over what a 10 month old puppy was doing to his 1-lb bigger bitch
    And you seek "verification" from a chump like that

    I told Andy he could pick his POS up any time he wanted, but no way in hell was I going to give his bigger, older bitch "a break" from my puppy

    Sonny, the only time you "showed up" was to roll your 8 lb bigger dog into my smaller one, so don't act like you came over as a collector or that I didn't know you'd be there.
    Your skinny ass has never been anything but respectful when I have been right there in front of you, so don't act like you're a thug. Take a gander in the mirror
    You know, I have had just about enough of your bullshit. You're a stupid man with some so-so dogs, and you're a GD liar. Everything you have said on here is pure BS.

    You want to talk about bullshit, the fact is you stole Little Jack from Trad.
    Little Jack won twice, beat a Champion the first time, then won in 1:58 over some Ch Paladin dog Jacobs has (I think).
    Then Trad entrusted the dog to you to breed to (you're wanting more of my blood) ... and you claimed he "got stolen."
    I mean, I could go on and on with all of the BS you're full of.
    In fact, let's start with the quality of Ch Big John's "wins."
    Why don't you explain to your lemmings that one of the "wins" was into your cousin (to whom you gave a discard dog)?
    Tell everyone how you gave away a discard dog to a relative, and then you turned around and matched into it with Big John
    What did it go, 5 minutes? And you call that a win?
    That's some quality of opposition, Sonny

    Hell, I could go on and on with your southern-bred bullshit, but that's enough for now.





    LOL, okay, whatever, Sassy quit in 2 minutes, whatever lie you want to tell.
    I have seen fifty minutes out of a prime Sassy, and there is no way in hell any bitch on earth, her size, could put a dent in that powerhouse dog in an hour, let alone 2 minutes.
    Now I can't say what Sassy did over there, but here are the 3 things I distinctly remember about Sassy and her being over there:

    1) That she decimated 2 bitches of yours on the face, in fact so badly did she decimate your bitches, that you actually told Weapons of Mass Destruction (EverLast) that you were thinking of running Sassy on a mill, to get her tired enough first, so that she would be "reachable" by your slow, stupid bitches ... since your back-end dogs are tailor-made for my face dogs.

    2) The other thing I remember about Sassy was that imbecile cousin of yours, Rivertown Dave, had Sassy and bred her to Yellow John. This idiot leaves Sassy on the chain until the day she's due. Then he comes home late at night and tosses Sassy in the brood pen the very night she's supposed to drop. After she gets tossed into the brood pen, Sassy starts barking and barking all night ... and Dave comes out there and beats the living shit out of her and goes back inside. Sassy starts barking incessantly ... again and again ... and this fucking idiot goes out there and beats the shit out of her again and again ... all night long until the morning time. Well, guess what? It turns out SASSY HAD 2 OF HER PUPS IN THE DIRT THAT NIGHT ... before your fucking idiot cousin came home ... and THAT is why she was barking and barking all night ... SHE WAS SEPARATED FROM HER BABIES AND WANTED TO BE WITH THEM ... and this fucking asshole beats her all night long, over her natural motherly instincts, because he's too stupid to consider this as a possiblity

    3) After I got Sassy back, she had no muscle tone, and had a chronic vaginal discharge, which required 3 weeks of Baytril to cure.

    Now, as far as coffee and water goes, when I bred Screamer to Poncho, I got an all-game litter.
    Not a single dog quit in the litter, not a single dog matched off their offspring ever quit.
    That is a total of about 15 dogs, with at least 5 going over the 2-hour mark. That's coffee son.

    By contrast, when I bred Screamer to Ch Big John, I got 4 curs (2 rank) and 3 game dogs.
    Dr Death quit in :12 to Poncho Jr. male (a 9-10 game litter).
    Anthrax quit to his half-brother Duke Nukem in :19
    Little Big John quit in 1:30 ... which was at least respectable.
    Siren Girl beat a 1xW and then a 4xW, and then quit in an hour, which again was respectable

    But that's still 4 CURS sonny ... one of which quit to another Screamer dog, sired by Poncho.
    There were ONLY 3 game dogs in that litter of 7 to Big John, Sonny (Kulu, Little Jack, and Wichita).
    That's water, son.

    Yet, when I bred those dogs BACK to Screamer dogs, I got absolute consistency, NO quits, and TWO DEADGAME wins.
    So the "coffee" is coming from my dogs ... which is why your dogs are what I immediately got rid of and away from.
    More of my blood = higher gameness/win percentage = more coffee.
    These are facts.

    And BTW, that Siren Girl bitch (Big John x Screamer) was rolled into my Pantera bitch also (Gr Ch Sparky x Screamer), and it was a massacre.
    Siren Girl didn't quit on that, and she was a pretty fast and good bitch, but Pantera was a fucken brute, and Siren Girl just did not have the power to deal with her and had to be picked up.





    I never needed an outcross, what I needed was SIZE ...

    And look man, Pretty Boy's gameness was seen in front of TONS of good dogmen, so just shut up on that, okay?
    I can put up with debates and arguments, but will NOT put up with straight lies.
    The dog was a bum ... I have always said that ... but he damned sure was no cur.





    Yeah, okay, you got me on ONE point on ONE discussion. LAST YEAR.
    I can stand to be wrong, Sonny. I mean, if you recall, I admitted I was wrong on JR going into Buck and stopped debating.
    I didn't call you names. I didn't change the subject. I didn't go on and on about other matters (like you here). When the facts came out, and JR didn't go into Buck, I just said I was wrong. Why don't you have that kind of class?
    YOU'RE the imbecile who can't admit you're wrong here. Because you ARE just WRONG that RBJ dogs are "the baddest" ... or that they have "the most kills" ... THEY DON'T.

    Yes, I am talking about dog fights as well as matters that happened over 12 years ago, when Victor came onto the board and ran you up a tree. So Big John was 9 or 10 and no teeth, well so was Mayday retard. Like the 9 year old Haunch, Victor was ready to match his old dog into your old dog, and you shit yourself and refused. Gr Ch Zukill, a legitimately badass dog, killed 6 win a row with no teeth, why couldn't Big John, if he was as bad as you say he was? Were you afraid he didn't have the gameness of Mayday? Victor was confident in his dog, and said he could come to your back yard! You were running your mouth about Big John "killing" Mayday ... and then you got your chance ... IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD ... What went wrong, Sonny?





    I am a good talker, writer, breeder, and authority on dogs. You are an uneducated redneck, who's not good for much besides hunting in the woods and talking about RBJ dogs.
    I know more about dogs than you will ever touch, so let's just leave it at that.





    He lost game in 1:10 to a Champion, that is not something to be embarrassed about.
    He also got his ass kicked by EVERY dog on my yard (Icon, U-Nhan-Rha, etc.), but he never committed a turn in his life.




    Actually, you're the one breaking the rules. The subject was RBJ dogs, and you made the claim that they "killed the most" and "all the good ones" were RBJ dogs.

    I tried to stay on topic and directly challenged these outrageous remarks with FACTS ... with DOG NAMES ... with ACTUAL MATCHES where the best RBJ dogs GOT WHIPPED by Hollingsworth dogs, Jeep dogs, Eli/Carver dogs, etc.

    You are the one who came here and called me a liar and a fool. Sorry, Sonny, you're the liar and the fool.

    But you're right on one thing: this is turning into a PedOnline shit-fest, and it's probably better to STICK TO THE TOPIC ... so why don't you try doing that FOR A CHANGE Sonny?

    I have asked you to name THE BADDEST, MULTI-KILLINGEST dogs in history ... and asked you to tell me how many of them were RBJ in nature.
    Please don't tell me about anything other than ACTUAL DOGS. Please don't have one of your idiot-customers come on here and tell me their dogs are "doing well for themselves," as if that has the first flippin' thing to do with ACTUAL MATCHES or THE BADDEST dogs ever.

    This database has nearly 40,000 dogs in it now. Of all kinds of different bloodlines. Go to the Search Engine and plug-in 5xWs only. You'll see several RBJ dogs but DOZENS MORE ELI/CARVER DOGS.

    But then raise the bar to 6xW ... then 7xW ... then 8xW ... and guess what? NOTHING.
    With every "upgrade," the RBJ dogs disappear.
    But you will still see a bunch of Eli, Eli/Carver, and Jeep/Rascal dogs ... so what do you think that means, Sonny?

    That you don't know what you're talking about.
    (I also don't see any of yours past 3 wins ... but there are a boatload of mine )

    Speaking of coffee, why don't you wake up and smell some, Sonny?: Eli/Carver type dogs are the winningest, and the baddest dogs on earth. Not RBJ.
    This is a matter of FACT, not "opinion." I was just trying to correct you, not get into an insult-fest.

    So unless you have FACTS to the contrary, admit YOU WERE WRONG ... and sit down and shut up.

    There is nothing to debate; there is no reason to insult each other any further.

    Jack
    The truth hurts don't it jack ,you do know Edgar Allen Poe was a crazy writer jack kinda had hallucinations from all that dope ,that's when he did his writing ,(hint) jack .get off that shit !!!!!!!!!! You keep coming up with shit you don't know ,nothing you ever say is from what you have seen but what you have heard and that is the truth and you know it ,and you did write me a bad check and I did go get it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by waccamaw View Post
    The truth hurts don't it jack ,you do know Edgar Allen Poe was a crazy writer jack kinda had hallucinations from all that dope ,that's when he did his writing ,(hint) jack .get off that shit !!!!!!!!!! You keep coming up with shit you don't know ,nothing you ever say is from what you have seen but what you have heard and that is the truth and you know it ,and you did write me a bad check and I did go get it !
    I am gonna tell you what you need to research ,and that is the bible ,the HOLY BIBLE,being you don't believe in god ,that is probably your problem !

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    Quote Originally Posted by waccamaw View Post
    The truth hurts don't it jack ,you do know Edgar Allen Poe was a crazy writer jack kinda had hallucinations from all that dope ,that's when he did his writing ,(hint) jack .get off that shit !!!!!!!!!! You keep coming up with shit you don't know ,nothing you ever say is from what you have seen but what you have heard and that is the truth and you know it ,and you did write me a bad check and I did go get it !
    I am not hurt; I don't do dope.

    Is is possible for you to stick to the facts without losing it?

    I write clearly and precisely, and the only truths that have been told have come from my keyboard.



    Quote Originally Posted by waccamaw View Post
    I am gonna tell you what you need to research ,and that is the bible ,the HOLY BIBLE,being you don't believe in god ,that is probably your problem !
    Sonny. Stick to the topic.

    Please stop screaming about The Bible and hallucinations.

    Go do a search on those multi-winning dogs and tell me what percentages of 7xW (and greater) are RBJ ... and what percentage are some kind of Eli- Eli/Carver cross?

    Can you do that without losing it, Sonny?

    Jack

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    By the way, Sonny, how many of your dogs have won more than 3 "hog hunts" in 20 years of breeding dogs?

    If yours are "the baddest," and have "everything," shouldn't they have mustered-up more than 3 wins by now after 2 decades?

    Especially since most of these so-called shows are in your own backyard ...

    Jack

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    Jack u know I sold little jack to trad.that is a flat out lie .

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    And Trad told me he had him on your yard and you said the dog "got stolen" ...

    Look, let's just drop the past BS and concentrate on the topic.

    How many 4x, 5x, and 6x+ winners have come from ANY of your dogs (crosses, etc.) in 20 years of running "the killingest" bloodline on earth?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    Jack

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    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    By the way, Sonny, how many of your dogs have won more than 3 fights in 20 years of breeding dogs?

    If yours are "the baddest," and have "everything," shouldn't they have mustered-up more than 3 wins by now after 2 decades?

    Especially since most of these so-called shows are in your own backyard ...

    Jack
    Jack I don't fight dogs ,but if I did I bet they could take yours!!!and your so called one match you had you lost .then you based your yard on a loser .jack you are still a legend in your on mind ,and I can all ways tell how green a man is when he says he has a poncho dog ,it's like they get blues first then poncho vise grip dogs then the real ones !

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