Redboy / jocko has made more dead game dogs !

[waccamaw]

And Trad told me he had him on your yard and you said the dog "got stolen" ...

Look, let's just drop the past BS and concentrate on the topic.

How many 4x, 5x, and 6x+ winners have come from ANY of your dogs (crosses, etc.) in 20 years of running "the killingest" bloodline on earth?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Jack

Now why would I keep his dog on my yard when he has a nice place in fact he had two places .

[waccamaw]

I am not hurt; I don't do dope.

Is is possible for you to stick to the facts without losing it?

I write clearly and precisely, and the only truths that have been told have come from my keyboard.





Sonny. Stick to the topic.

Please stop screaming about The Bible and hallucinations.

Go do a search on those multi-winning dogs and tell me what percentages of 7xW (and greater) are RBJ ... and what percentage are some kind of Eli- Eli/Carver cross?

Can you do that without losing it, Sonny?



Jack

I have not lost it ,you put to much trust in your computer ,now I wonder who put all these winners in the computer .

[waccamaw]

Jack if you think I am going to put on the internet that I have fought my dogs and won ex amount of times you are crazy ! Like I said I don't fight dogs nor sale dogs to fight!!

[EWO]

I believe Evolution hit one out of the park. The subject is beat to death but a great topic and a great series of posts, and I doubt either group will waiver. One side is too stubborn to quit and the other is too dumb stop. Maybe I am talking about the dogs, maybe I am not. LOL.

Good topic. Great response Evolution. And since we are beating the proverbial dead horse, I still say it was a way cool statement, regardless of which mindset proves to be true. EWO

[Officially Retired]

Jack I don't fight dogs ,but if I did I bet they could take yours!!!and your so called one match you had you lost .then you based your yard on a loser .jack you are still a legend in your on mind ,and I can all ways tell how green a man is when he says he has a poncho dog ,it's like they get blues first then poncho vise grip dogs then the real ones !

Yeah, okay, blues then my dogs, whatever
You're just getting childish and showing your true colors: lame.

Sonny, my dogs have won actual contests on international conventions, yours haven't.
I have never heard of a Waccamaw dog facing, or being used by, a top competitor in the dogs.
I have never seen a single Waccamaw Champion who actually had a bona-fide match into a bona-fide Champion. EVER.
The only place your "Champions" win is in your back yard. The highest actual rank I have seen from a customer of yours is a 2xW.

You say you "would never" put one of your Champions online, yet you've added several of them.
What is glaringly missing is ANY serious multi-winning dogs, either from you directly, or from any cross ever being made with any dog from you
They are all Champions known only to you, and have never faced any known Champion "out there."
So why no SERIOUS multi-winners out of your yard then? In 20 years. I mean, if they're the "killingest."

Seriously, what legit, champion-versus-champion match has one of your dog EVER had? I mean, EVER?
I can name you MULTIPLE such contests involving mine, involving some of the best dogmen on the planet.

So, as far as I can tell, you're the one surrounded by green guys. I've got some pretty well-known folks who have used my dogs.
In fact, as far as green goes, you're here on my board, are you not? If I only have green people following me, how green are you then to be here?

Sonny, you may recall that I am the guy who put you on the map when I ran an article about you in my mag back in 1999. Before that, it was Wacca-who?
My dogs have won more titles, more matches, more trophies, in more states, in more countries, and they have beaten bigger names than yours ever have or ever will.

But this has nothing to do with the subject.

Look I am tired of insulting you, and being insulted by you, okay Sonny?

So let's see if we can drop the childish bullshit.
I have asked you multiple times to please stay on the topic, and this is the last time I am asking.
I am not going to respond to any more crap.

So STAY ON POINT. No personal insults. From me or from you.

Let's just stick to FACTS or give admission that the facts don't exist. Can we do that?

What dog from your program has ever beaten a legitimate, known Champion in over 20 years of breeding dogs?
What dog from your program, or from any cross of any bloodline into your program, has EVER won more than 3 hunts?
Run a Search on 7x winners, out of 40,000 dogs here, and tell me how many of them (and beyond) are RBJ ... and how many are some kind of Eli/Carver cross?

I will be happy to answer those questions myself.

Can you answer these questions happily as well?

Jack

[Pit Bull Committed]

Now let me tell you the truth. RBJ Dogs game as can be. Truth be told Red boy dogs are as dumb as they come, Yellow Dogs as smart as they come but who really wants a ear sucker. Mayday dogs can bite and balanced out and are all round athletes. Redboy dogs by themselves are not such a good line. Yellow dogs and may dogs. Basically same shit. Ear suckers and fancy foot work. This is what Great matches are made of. Going 3-4 hours, spectacular and heart moving but truth be told this is not what wins shows. In my personal Opinion from what i have seen in my country. Nothing compares with The Eli Line. Even the frisco/Tudor/Chinaman Line what i dislike wins like you cant beleive. Eli/Bolio is a unstoppable combination what produce dogs of such caliber they will shock ur socks of. My prefrence of the eli strain comes from the The mexican strain of Enrico Morfine dogs. i find that works with bolio the best and produce dogs what RBJ just cant. Thats my own personal opinion and i still run RBJ dogs but the truth is RBJ are not best dogs in terms of campaigning today. They work as a nice out cross and add some key attributes i find if u keep there blood at 25% or less in a breeding u will be taking there best atributes while allowing for less negavtives.

Well said! I agree!!!

[evolutionkennels]

I believe Evolution hit one out of the park. The subject is beat to death but a great topic and a great series of posts, and I doubt either group will waiver. One side is too stubborn to quit and the other is too dumb stop. Maybe I am talking about the dogs, maybe I am not. LOL.

Good topic. Great response Evolution. And since we are beating the proverbial dead horse, I still say it was a way cool statement, regardless of which mindset proves to be true. EWO

What a pun on words.. can't believe I didn't think of it. I'm officially an ewo fan.

[Officially Retired]

I've always been an EWO fan

[CYJ]

I am a EWO fan also Ca. Jack, and all these other fellows that put up with me. EWO appears to be a dog man going places. Have enjoyed our personnel chats immensely.

[Officially Retired]

Now let me tell you the truth. RBJ Dogs game as can be. Truth be told Red boy dogs are as dumb as they come, Yellow Dogs as smart as they come but who really wants a ear sucker. Mayday dogs can bite and balanced out and are all round athletes. Redboy dogs by themselves are not such a good line. Yellow dogs and may dogs. Basically same shit. Ear suckers and fancy foot work. This is what Great matches are made of. Going 3-4 hours, spectacular and heart moving but truth be told this is not what wins shows. In my personal Opinion from what i have seen in my country. Nothing compares with The Eli Line. Even the frisco/Tudor/Chinaman Line what i dislike wins like you cant beleive. Eli/Bolio is a unstoppable combination what produce dogs of such caliber they will shock ur socks of. My prefrence of the eli strain comes from the The mexican strain of Enrico Morfine dogs. i find that works with bolio the best and produce dogs what RBJ just cant. Thats my own personal opinion and i still run RBJ dogs but the truth is RBJ are not best dogs in terms of campaigning today. They work as a nice out cross and add some key attributes i find if u keep there blood at 25% or less in a breeding u will be taking there best atributes while allowing for less negavtives.

Well said! I agree!!!

I basically agree with your thinking.

As I mentioned, the winningest, baddest dogs from my line were mostly with Eli/Chinaman influence.

The Poncho/Mayday dogs I had were TANKS ... VERY solid dogs that BEAT two Grand Champions ... with at least 50 wins and 15 Champions produced ... and yet ONLY ONE made it to a 5xW.

That one dog that made it to a 5xW was a very badass, finishing bitch Nastyville's Gr Ch Ms. Serious ... and she had a touch of Eli in her through Wynn's Lina.

By all accounts, Gr Ch Ms. Serious was a deadly animal. The longest she went was :40 and that was pushing 2 lb into a Champion. Every other fight was a rout. I don't know if it's true or not, but Nastyville told me he collected a $6K forfeit from Cane Valley Kennels on his Gr Ch Baby Gracie bitch (this is said with respect to CVK, because I very much do respect him, but this is what I was told). I sure would have loved to have seen that one come off ...

But, at any rate, there have been 15 to 20 five-time winners + involving crosses with my blood ... and, I believe, Nastyville's Gr Ch Ms. Serious is one of only two that have anything to do with RBJ blood.
The other RBJ cross that produced a Grand Champion was Black Flag Kennels' Gr Ch Red, DOY, but this also had Eli/ and Boyles blood in it.

Every other dog of my line that became more than a 5xW I don't believe had a drop of the RBJ blood in it.
Again, in all of history, there are maybe 1 or 2 RBJ dogs that have gone beyond 6x winners ... but MULTIPLE Eli/Carver dogs have done so.

Jack

PS: This really could become an interesting topic for discussion, if everyone can just stick to facts and can 1) stop baseless cheerleading claims, and 2) stop the insults. We might start getting some productive ideas generated, actually.