Could Have Happend

[Bigfoot23]

Jack if you don't mind over all the years of breeding dogs if you had to breed to a male outside of your own kennel,or input a new line which one would you pick and why? ( Not including Mayday or wac dogs) Just a fun question i was interested in what other lines and dogs you thought highly of. thank you

[Officially Retired]

Jack if you don't mind over all the years of breeding dogs if you had to breed to a male outside of your own kennel,or input a new line which one would you pick and why? ( Not including Mayday or wac dogs) Just a fun question i was interested in what other lines and dogs you thought highly of. thank you

If I could start over, I would simply have taken better care of the great dogs I did have.

I would have fed them raw from the start, I would have bred to Hammer more, and I would not have been so quick to sell a good one.

I would never have bred to the Wac dogs at all, but I would have kept one or two of the Mayday dogs.

I also never would have sold Coca Cola and would have kept a male and female out of her and Charlie.

There simply is no other line of dogs that I like better than mine, or that wins in any higher percentage than mine.

What I might have done, however, is more Eli-type crosses, as well as added more pure Carver/Boomer-type dogs, and perhaps experimented that way more (just to look for a blockbuster).

But when it comes to consistent, dependable, smart, tough, scrappy, well-tempered dogs that do whatever they have to do, to win, I had that down pretty well and wouldn't change a thing ... except my own competence and judgment in what I did with some of them.

Jack

[Wsk]

Jack, did you and KC ever make the poncho/vengeance cross? And also I would like to change the OP question a bit. If there never was a poncho, hammer or coca cola. Do you feel there may possibly have been a different direction that would have struck your fancy?

[Officially Retired]

Jack, did you and KC ever make the poncho/vengeance cross? And also I would like to change the OP question a bit. If there never was a poncho, hammer or coca cola. Do you feel there may possibly have been a different direction that would have struck your fancy?

No, unfortunately that never happened. However, I did breed Poncho's sister Missy to Gonzalez' No Regrets, which is the same blood as KC has, and the results were outstanding. There were 4 pups produced, all males. Of those males, the following were the results:

♢ Taylor's Timex (2xW) was an ace dog that only started his career at 6 years old, but won 2. He was a fabulous, powerful ear dog, that would take absolute control of the head deep on the ear, render you helpless, break you down, get you tired, and then go into the throat and finish. His gameness was never tested, because nothing could touch him, and nothing would scratch back into him. His superiority was exceptional.

♢ Vise-Grip's Super Fly was just an extremely game dog, with no ability, but absolutely would never quit. He produced at least one Champion (Hurricane Kennels' Ch Hatchet Sam), who himself produced Pompano Kennels' Gr Ch Hatchett II.

♢ Vise-Grip's Raja was the only dog that came out brindle, like No Regrets, but Raja was a red-brindle/rednose and looked like a Red Tiger (hence the name Raja). The other dogs were all buckskin like Missy. Raja was also the only one who wouldn't fight by 12 months. He was killed/culled as "cold" by his owner, who was a stupid man for doing so. A lot of people don't know this, but some of these Indian dogs take awhile to start. Interestingly, another son of No Regrets, also named Tiger, was the famous and very game Ablizin's Tiger (1xW). A lot of people don't know this, but Tiger was originally owned by my friend/mentor, Lineman, for the first 4 years of his life. Tiger wouldn't hit a lick either, even by 4 years of age, and so Lineman eventually traded him back to Patrick for something else. Patrick put the dog with a guy named Wayne, who got Tiger started (a yard change can do that), and after that Patrick sold Tiger to Dmitri Ablizin, the Russian idiot with more dollars than sense. Anyway, if the owner of Raja would have been patient, Raja might have turned out to be a helluva dog. He had carpet for skin, and the biggest/most rugged set of bones on him that any little dog ever had. It would have taken a Bengal tiger to kill him. Raja was rolled a few times, wouldn't start, yet no dog could so much as put a hole in his skin ... Raja's hide was that tough ... but he just wouldn't fight back. He was just a happy, powerful young boy, who again wouldn't hit a lick, but he was only 16 months and never given the proper chance to start.

♢ Latino Family's Energizer (1xL 2:45) was a 100% DG dog, whose first match (at 20 months) happened to be into Wonder Boys' Ch Pup Pup. Pup had killed Strickly Business' Ch Smokin' Joe in :53, and killed HOE's Radical (2xW) in :35. Ch Pup Pup was a devastating dog, and Energizer was just average (except in his heart and his toughness, which were phenomenal). Well, when Energizer faced Ch Pup Pup, Pup just overpowered Energizer for the first hour ... but couldn't put a dent in him. Where other dogs had died to what Pup Pup could do, Energizer was just getting warmed up, and by 1:30 had pulled even with Pup Pup. Back-and-forth it went, until Pup Pup hit a bleeder and Energizer started losing blood. Too stupid to pick up, Latino Family let their dog go ... and go ... and go ... until 2:45, to where Energizer, sommersaulted, crawled, rolled, flopped, and tried to get there by :10 but couldn't beat the clock. After that fight, I had at least 10 high-profile dogmen from the NY area tell me Energizer was the gamest dog they had ever seen in their life (including Latino Family, LeFonze, Brooklyn Knights, etc.) Latino Ray told me he wanted to buy "anything with Missy blood in it," but I told him he should have kept the one he had.

Anyway, hope this answers your question. I am 100% positive that my blood would cross phenomenally-well with Killer Combine blood, because it already has crossed phenomenally-well with the No Regrets blood.

As far as which way I would go, if I did not have my blood, I can't imagine it, sorry. There simply IS NO blood out there that has consistently beaten mine. For example, Wonder Boys' Ch Pup Pup was the first Andy Capp dog my dogs had faced ... and arguably THE BEST Andy Capp dog (being a Candidate for Dog of the Year). Well, that great dog just barrrrrely beat what was basically just an "average, game" dog of mine. (Energizer wasn't as good as his brother Timex). Yet in our losing effort, we showed absolutely game, and absolutely tough, and we basically fought for 3 hours until we died. The other 2 times my dogs have faced Andy Capp dogs, my dogs won (in less than 1 hour) and those dogs QUIT.

So I sure wouldn't "switch lines" to that ... and it's pretty much been that way with every other line my dogs have ever faced.

IFFF we lost, it was invariably DG, and when we beat the other stuff, those dogs QUIT to mine, so it's pretty hard to "get excited" about the idea of switching to something else that isn't as game or dependable as what I had.

Jack

[widerange]

^^^^^ great read. I always enjoy reading post by owners/breeders that have keep up with what they have put together. It's always the bet source of info on dogs.

[Wsk]

Great informative post jack.

[evolutionkennels]

No, unfortunately that never happened. However, I did breed Poncho's sister Missy to Gonzalez' No Regrets, which is the same blood as KC has, and the results were outstanding. There were 4 pups produced, all males. Of those males, the following were the results:

♢ Taylor's Timex (2xW) was an ace dog that only started his career at 6 years old, but won 2. He was a fabulous, powerful ear dog, that would take absolute control of the head deep on the ear, render you helpless, break you down, get you tired, and then go into the throat and finish. His gameness was never tested, because nothing could touch him, and nothing would scratch back into him. His superiority was exceptional.

♢ Vise-Grip's Super Fly was just an extremely game dog, with no ability, but absolutely would never quit. He produced at least one Champion (Hurricane Kennels' Ch Hatchet Sam), who himself produced Pompano Kennels' Gr Ch Hatchett II.

♢ Vise-Grip's Raja was the only dog that came out brindle, like No Regrets, but Raja was a red-brindle/rednose and looked like a Red Tiger (hence the name Raja). The other dogs were all buckskin like Missy. Raja was also the only one who wouldn't fight by 12 months. He was killed/culled as "cold" by his owner, who was a stupid man for doing so. A lot of people don't know this, but some of these Indian dogs take awhile to start. Interestingly, another son of No Regrets, also named Tiger, was the famous and very game Ablizin's Tiger (1xW). A lot of people don't know this, but Tiger was originally owned by my friend/mentor, Lineman, for the first 4 years of his life. Tiger wouldn't hit a lick either, even by 4 years of age, and so Lineman eventually traded him back to Patrick for something else. Patrick put the dog with a guy named Wayne, who got Tiger started (a yard change can do that), and after that Patrick sold Tiger to Dmitri Ablizin, the Russian idiot with more dollars than sense. Anyway, if the owner of Raja would have been patient, Raja might have turned out to be a helluva dog. He had carpet for skin, and the biggest/most rugged set of bones on him that any little dog ever had. It would have taken a Bengal tiger to kill him. Raja was rolled a few times, wouldn't start, yet no dog could so much as put a hole in his skin ... Raja's hide was that tough ... but he just wouldn't fight back. He was just a happy, powerful young boy, who again wouldn't hit a lick, but he was only 16 months and never given the proper chance to start.

♢ Latino Family's Energizer (1xL 2:45) was a 100% DG dog, whose first match (at 20 months) happened to be into Wonder Boys' Ch Pup Pup. Pup had killed Strickly Business' Ch Smokin' Joe in :53, and killed HOE's Radical (2xW) in :35. Ch Pup Pup was a devastating dog, and Energizer was just average (except in his heart and his toughness, which were phenomenal). Well, when Energizer faced Ch Pup Pup, Pup just overpowered Energizer for the first hour ... but couldn't put a dent in him. Where other dogs had died to what Pup Pup could do, Energizer was just getting warmed up, and by 1:30 had pulled even with Pup Pup. Back-and-forth it went, until Pup Pup hit a bleeder and Energizer started losing blood. Too stupid to pick up, Latino Family let their dog go ... and go ... and go ... until 2:45, to where Energizer, sommersaulted, crawled, rolled, flopped, and tried to get there by :10 but couldn't beat the clock. After that fight, I had at least 10 high-profile dogmen from the NY area tell me Energizer was the gamest dog they had ever seen in their life (including Latino Family, LeFonze, Brooklyn Knights, etc.) Latino Ray told me he wanted to buy "anything with Missy blood in it," but I told him he should have kept the one he had.

Anyway, hope this answers your question. I am 100% positive that my blood would cross phenomenally-well with Killer Combine blood, because it already has crossed phenomenally-well with the No Regrets blood.

As far as which way I would go, if I did not have my blood, I can't imagine it, sorry. There simply IS NO blood out there that has consistently beaten mine. For example, Wonder Boys' Ch Pup Pup was the first Andy Capp dog my dogs had faced ... and arguably THE BEST Andy Capp dog (being a Candidate for Dog of the Year). Well, that great dog just barrrrrely beat what was basically just an "average, game" dog of mine. (Energizer wasn't as good as his brother Timex). Yet in our losing effort, we showed absolutely game, and absolutely tough, and we basically fought for 3 hours until we died. The other 2 times my dogs have faced Andy Capp dogs, my dogs won (in less than 1 hour) and those dogs QUIT.

So I sure wouldn't "switch lines" to that ... and it's pretty much been that way with every other line my dogs have ever faced.

IFFF we lost, it was invariably DG, and when we beat the other stuff, those dogs QUIT to mine, so it's pretty hard to "get excited" about the idea of switching to something else that isn't as game or dependable as what I had.

Jack

I haven't been all to impressed with the tight Andy Capp dogs. to me, they don't have the heart necessary. I've seen great midnite dogs, and should click since it's basically a bolio eli cross. Energizer was game as can be, but Nazi... Well... I'll just say I had about 100 people in Mexico say he's the Gamest dog on the planet. Not sure about his pedigree. I'm sure Jack has it.

[Officially Retired]

I haven't been all to impressed with the tight Andy Capp dogs. to me, they don't have the heart necessary. I've seen great midnite dogs, and should click since it's basically a bolio eli cross. Energizer was game as can be, but Nazi... Well... I'll just say I had about 100 people in Mexico say he's the Gamest dog on the planet. Not sure about his pedigree. I'm sure Jack has it.

Thank you. The Boyles stuff in general hasn't been too impressive to me, gameness-wise (with a few notable exceptions).

It's kinda funny, in 1998 Energizer won an actual poll taken on Vietnam's old messageboard as to "The Gamest Dog of the 1990s" ...

And, I would bet there would be a high percentage chance that El Nazi would win such a poll taken for "The Gamest Dog of the 2000s" by anyone who saw him go, which (as you mention) was a lot of folks south of the border ...

El Nazi was basically 5/8ths my breeding, 3/8ths Buck breeding, and by all accounts one helluva bulldog.

Jack

[evolutionkennels]

interesting. Nazi is 15.625% RedboyJocko. through Daisy Mae ROM.

[Officially Retired]

LOL, that must have been the reason