Could Have Happend

[Officially Retired]

You are correct in your entire reply and I agree, 100% with your reply.

For these dogs to prove this type of gameness is, yes, incredible. But to shift gears, when is enough enough and you should pick that dog up. Personally, call me a softy, but I just can't let my dog get to that point. I really don't think I can. This is a dog that, if he does survive, will remain in hiding for the remainder of his life, which is fine for him, but a hassle for any legal living citizen. Can't share it with anyone really without risk. If you do pick him up, you never knew he was THIS game, but you have a dog with little to fewer handicaps. If you leave him down and he survives this, you KNOW what kind of game he is, but you have a dog with half a head and health issues to manage.

Just rambling and I'm not a psychopath, so no doubt, this type of thing with these dogs makes me question anything done with them in this regard. Then you have the other side of the coin. THESE DOGS WOULD NOT EXIST if this had never been experimented with/trained/schooled/bred for, etc.

AH, the double edged sword cuts both ways so deep.

Very, very well said NQK.

To put a punctuation mark on that, yes, the story of Ozzie's Ch Homer is a hallmark and testimony to the gameness of these dogs ... but was it "really better" to let him go out all the way ... and actually die ... or would it have been BETTER to pick that fabulous little dog UP ... and maybe not have such a great story to tell ... but to have the best little dog you could possibly have STILL ALIVE to breed to for the future

Jack


PS: And speaking of gameness, not only was Ch Hammer an extremely game dog ... who never committed a turn in his life (and neither did his son Poncho) ... and not only did he beat Lou Lewis' Chainsaw in 1:58 to win his own Championship (and I'll leave it up to the reader to figure out how Chainsaw got his name--as that's what Hammer looked like he ran into, after he won) ... but Ch Hammer's brother Jesse (2xW, 1xL) died in the act of crawling-back to his opponent at just over the 2:00 mark.

That is true, 100% gameness ... to die in the act of crawling back.

It can't possibly get any gamer than that

[No Quarter Kennel]

I haven't personally witnessed many of the truly truly deep deep game dogs. Seen a few.
Here's on of the family of dogs I like to feed. His name was Lucan and his tombstone reads, "If any dog can, Lucan".

He went over 2 hours with no turns and no holds. Extremely game dog. Acted like a puppy dog in person. Not real strong in the back end (like some Alligator dogs come) but man, smart smart smart and near Ace. I've got a couple of dogs with him on top and bottom and he and just a few others are dogs I like to focus on. Much like Jack around Hammer/Poncho stuff.

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=11216

[FrostyPaws]

I'll add my 2 cents. Generally when a dog like Nazi originally takes the punishment that puts him in that position, 9 times out of 10 the dog dies even if you pick them up at that point. The fact that Nazi took that, and kept pushing along is paramount to anyone that wants to talk about gameness. Dogs like Nazi will make you question such things, as it should when it happens. What Nazi had to endure to live afterwards, with all type of professional aftercare, is amazing. Not only did the dog show unbelievable heart, he showed the same will to live.

That type of risk is always there, and unless you have that type of professional care available to you, your dog is going to pass. So do you pick him up and have him die, or do you leave him down and let him go out on his shield, if need be? You should be prepared for such things because they can, and will, happen.

As a side note, I'd breed every bitch I have to Nazi if I were able.

[Milky]

Good post, Frosty!

[No Quarter Kennel]

Very good point Frosty.

[Officially Retired]

+3

[MRBLUEPRINT]

As a side note, and back on topic, the original poster asked the question whether my dogs would cross well with Killer Combine's dogs.

Not only did it work out well with the Energizer dog mentioned, but has anyone really studied the pedigree of Hollingsworth's Dolly?

Dolly's sire, Yazoo Cody, is basically Lady In Red's sister Reba bred to an Indian Sonny dog (like what's behind Vengeance / Midnight) in Gr Ch Rowdy bred to Tonka's sister Boni Maroni.

Take a look at the top 1/8^th of her pedigree, Hook's Gr Ch Rowdy, and compare that to Killer Combine's Gr Ch Vengeance ... it's basically the same blood that's way behind Midnight/Vengeance

Jack

I apologize for straying off topic but since you mentioned Yazoo Cody (who happens to be in all my dogs... I was talking to T.Gibson yesterday and acquired a pic of the Baby Lively dog, half sister to Dolly also being sired by Yazoo Cody and she herself was a great producer. I'm sure it's not a big deal to most but just as Jack takes such pride in his line, I'd like to show off a kinda rare picture. Enjoy

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=6736

[S_B]

Thanks for sharing MRBLUEPRINT nice looking dog!

[Officially Retired]

I apologize for straying off topic but since you mentioned Yazoo Cody (who happens to be in all my dogs... I was talking to T.Gibson yesterday and acquired a pic of the Baby Lively dog, half sister to Dolly also being sired by Yazoo Cody and she herself was a great producer. I'm sure it's not a big deal to most but just as Jack takes such pride in his line, I'd like to show off a kinda rare picture. Enjoy

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=6736

Sorry I missed this, Mr. Blueprint. Thank you for your contribution

It very much is a big deal to post photos like this, because the more people who follow your lead, and post their old photos, the cooler and more complete this site will be over time

Jack