Good read as always CYJ, thank you.
Good read as always CYJ, thank you.
Ditto DTA kennels. Mr. Mims was one of the few that could deal with Bass. May have been because Mr. Mims was a Boxer in his younger days so had something in common. Might have helped and give good coaching advice to Bass' Son. First time I ever saw Bass was when myself and brother went to a Boxing club over in Florence S.C. Bass' son was sparing that day, and also a young upcoming heavy weight, Weldon Benton. Weldon Benton lost the main Golden Gloves event to Ken Norton. Ken Norton went on to be a tough Pro Heavy weight, giving Ali one or two of his hardest bouts.
Mr. Mims got dogs direct from Bass and Miss Marlowe and knew what was the best breeding's of the Red Boy stock. Ever talk to him, fix you a long sipping drink. He loves to talk dogs. He was also good friends with Mr. M. Gainey who had some good straight bred Red Boy dogs and Red Boy Jocko crosses. He and Mr. Mims may have did some dog dealings. Only Mr. Mims' would know for sure.
Mr. Mims is a very likeable sorts and can get along with most anyone if you are straight talking with him. One of the best little bitches I ever owned came from Mr. Mims. Shown on most pedigrees as Mims' Sally, later Young's Sally. Mr. Mims gave Sally to G. Cox, Cox always spoke highly of Mr. Mims. Mr. Mims by profession according to G.Cox, was a very specialized wood grader. Could grade the best cuts of various type timber and value of the cuts. Something very few can do today.
When G. Cox quit the dog game he gave Sally to me. Sally was up in age and never could get any pups off My Chuck dog and V. Jackson's Tunney. Did not catch both times. Did get some pups off her when bred to my Young's Winchester dog and J. Spruill's Gr CH Jack dog. My biggest mistake was not breeding her to my Young's Jake dog. 20/20 hindsight can be hell sometimes. LOL
When you are dealing with Mr. Mims you are dealing with one of the top dog men of my time era. He has the dogs he says he has. Pedigrees are right on. Cheers
Hello DTA, went back today and reread that Red Boy article I had wrote. Added a little more of my thoughts to those post of mine,corrected some spellings etc. Took another look at your pedigree on your Red Velvet bitch dog id=41046. Is that bitch dog still alive? Do you have any siblings off this heavy line/inbred bred Red Boy bitch dog? Would be nice to see a attached picture to the pedigree of this bitch.
If Mr. Mims let you breed her back to his last Red Boy stock etc. You have some of the last living stock of straight bred Red Boy dogs. A 14 generation search on this bitch shows Red Velvet at 70% Red Boy. Is a shame that Mr. Teal stuck those Teal's Jeff Colby etc pedigree on Red Boy and his siblings. I never saw a pure Red Boy dog that looked anything like a pure Colby dog. I feel, like Norrod believes that there is a much stronger Corvino influence in the Red Boy dogs than any sort of Colby influence. Cheers
I will pass this post along to DTA. I'm not sure if he has an active account here or if he even checks it any more.
We tried to breed her to my Ozzie dog once, http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=42272
She did not take. He was a heck of a little dog. I always felt we missed an opportunity there.
Agree on Mr. Mims and the sipping glass. Funny thing is, dogs get only a small percentage of the conversation, as he is a knowledgeable man in a lot of areas. Once we talked 45 minutes on the rubber boots in which boots are made. Got into Goodyear and how manufacturer's moved from their quality rubber to Asian sources for cost reduction. Boots just not the same. 45 minutes.
Short story long my cousin went to prison and in his work release he worked in a lumber yard. He had brains just let drugs get in the way. He eventually became a lumber grader. He worked in the SC area for a few years before on to Tenn. He says Mr. Mims is a legend in the wood industry down that way.
And a full grown man on top of that. He had some concrete bowls we bought once. A full 80lb. makes one bowl. He grabbed one in each hand like he picked up his lunch pail. I was a big boy and he was a bit older so I had to save face. I grabbed two as well. We walked about 30-40 yards. The third guy was a 'one at a timer'. Mr. Mims looked at me after about 8 trips and said, "You would have been good on a pulp wood truck". I think it was a compliment. Being 'a full grown man' may have helped with Mr. Bass as well, LOL.
Good post CYJ. I will pass that along. DTA and his Pops are planning to go to VJ's later in the summer. They want to stay a number of days because of the long drive. He told me they were coordinating three work schedules to make it happen. They ended up breeding that bitch to a winning heavy Snooty dog (Spike and some Middleton's Black Betty stuff) from the mountains of NC. I don't know much about him but they say he is a really smart, hard mouth face fighter. I will get a ped off the other site if I can find it.
Again, keep dropping that 'older' knowledge. Always a great read.
EWO
Last edited by Lasse; 08-28-2016 at 09:15 AM.
I agree, great posts, CYJ and EWO.
EWO,
How were you feeling on that 8th trip? lol
Great story, thanks for sharing!
S_B
Ditto EWO, here are the four rumors I always heard about the Sire of the Bass' Tramp Red Boy dog. Hope I am not duplicating myself in another post. Doing pedigree searches and correcting/adding info about these dogs. Have helped jog my memory a good bit.
I. Note the name Bass named Red Boy. Bass' Tramp Red Boy. This rumor is of a pit dog or maybe a Am Staff bred dog. Mr. Teal found roaming the downtown streets of his hometown. Mr. Teal named this; I believe was a brindle male dog, Tramp. This Tramp dog had no registered papers, so breeding was unknown. Mr. Teal checked the oil on this dog and found it to be game. I do not know how many times this Teal's Tramp was shown. Maybe just one time. From later information this Teal's Tramp was one of the first or first dogs matched into Baker Davis's Boomerang dog. The Teal's Tramp dog lost the show.
Some articles etc. have tried to say Teal's Tramp and Teal's Jeff or the same dog, not so. The Teal's Tramp dog had no known pedigree. The Teal's Jeff did. Some years later when Davis's Boomerang was around or close to eight years old. An age way past showing a dog. Mr. Davis matched his Boomerang dog for the last time into Mr. Teal. The dog used by Mr. Teal was bred out of his Teal's Mike (Big Mac, Tramp Red Boy's sibling brother) dog and that Mr. Medlin's Rose bitch. This dog was a brindle dog and well built. I saw this show. Mr. Davis's Boomerang won that show also.
2. The next rumor told was that Bass' Tramp Red Boy was sired by a dog named Wino. The only dog I knew of back then called Wino was Carver's Wino dog that had won three shows and lost a hard show to Mr. Teal's (Heinzl's Adolph). This Wino dog could have been bought by a local or even by Mr. Teal. I have this Carver's Wino dog entered into our system. Will add Carver's Wino offspring and the Heinzl's Adolph pedigree later today. There is a connection to the Adam's dogs in this Carver's Wino dog's pedigree. The Fancier in his Red Boy article talks about a Earl Adams connection. Now I am certainly not sure about this and could be just running up and down a rabbit trail. LOL
3. This rumor I have heard the most. Was that a man drove into Mr. Teal's Bowman Restaurant for some breakfast. This person had a big nice looking red/red nose dog tied in the back of his truck. The man saw all the dogs chained back up on the hill behind the Restaurant. He inquired about the dogs on the Hill to the waitress in the restaurant. Telling he had the same breed of dog tied up on the back of his truck. Mr. Teal was there that day and checked out this man's dog. One or two things happen that day. Was either Mr. Teal bought that dog from its owner. Or the Suzie-Q bitch was on Mr. Teal's yard, in heat ready to breed. So, Mr. Teal bred Susie-Q to that dog that day. This stud dog maybe being of Ross Red Devil breeding. In that time era the Red Devil/Maximilian bred dogs around N.C. was popular. Rowell showed one into me and later F. Jacobs showed one. This dog also could have been one of those Stidham (Heavy Hemphill breeding) - Cable-Long bred dogs by Mr. Kreebs or Creebs according to Mr. Mim's thoughts on the matter.
4. I talked with Garner recently. He said when he had talked with Mr. Teal over the phone, not long after Mr. Teal had that heart attack and stroke. I remember that day very well. I was doing the driving for Mr. Teal and Egan. We went down to a dog show event in Georgia. Mr. Teal refused to go to a emergency room and I had to drive him all the way back to his home. His doctor was furious with Mr. Teal for not seeking help much earlier.
Garner asked Mr. Teal who was the sire of Bass' Red Boy. The reply was off the Teal's Tip dog. Many years before that event, Mr. Egan Skinner told me, he felt that the sire to Bass' Red Boy and his litter siblings. Was the Teal's Tip dog. Garner jogged my memory in that discussion, and I recalled Mr. Skinner saying the same. Out of all these rumors this is the only two conversations many years apart that even agree.
That is the rumors to the best of my memory I had heard. After all these years. I saw a so-called True pedigree posted on Bass' Cleo showing this bitch dog sired by a Bert Sorrell dog. Thought that was sort of Ironic and refreshed my memory of that day. Standing in Bass' dog yard looking at Bass' Cleo bitch. Asking Bass if Cleo was a Bert Sorrell bred dog. LOL
No need to take all this too serious. V. Jackson and self-had to read a scathing article in the SDJ written by Don Mayfield. Stating our V. Jackson's Hank pedigree was a fake. So, what are we to do? Throw the baby out with the bath water. LOL The only honest Breeders I knew in my time era was Joe Beal/Howard Heinzl/Orbie Coplin/Egan Skinner/Plemmons/Carl Mims/ and there were some others.
Unless you are standing there yourself seeing your bitch bred to a specific stud dog. Never know what you may get. LOL Would be nice to get an interview from Mr. Mims on all this. Later in years Katie had started her own dog registry. I had visited her on a weekend and was chatting with her in her office. She ran a rental trailer park as well.
Katie was in a good mood that day. She first started telling me that Maurice Carver had called her inquiring about her Red Boy bloodlines etc. She also mentions that she knew how Red Boy was bred and Cleo. Was someday soon going to put out the corrected pedigrees. Was never able to get any more info at that time. A rental customer had drove up to ask about rent on one of her trailers. After that we went outside and looked at her dog yard and talked about more dogs. Variety is the spice of life. I liked the Carver-Boudreaux/Coplin-Mayfield dogs. Katie was doing her thing with the Red Boy dogs. I did not ask any more about the mentioned above topics. Figured if she wished to tell me more would have done so. Just good bulldog etiquette to never ask to many personnel questions about one's dogs/conditioning etc. Cheers
Last edited by CYJ; 06-24-2023 at 06:24 PM. Reason: Added some more info.
As I was studying the Heinzl's Adolf dog pedigree. I read another article written by Heinzl. Where a Palmer's Adolph beat a Wino dog up Chicago way. This Teal/ Heinzl Adolph dog on the on lines pedigree site shows it born in 1950. So if same Adolph and Wino dog. That rules those two dogs out.
Unless one knows the actual breeding on a dog and seen the said mating. Hard to sort out any of those rumor stories. Another dog that remains a mystery off Mr. Teal's yard was that Playboy dog that was mentioned in a Sonny Sykes article. Had heard the Play Boy dog talked about by Rowell etc.
One time when I was in Mr. Teal's back office before we went out to feed a dog he was working for a show. While I was sitting at his large work desk. I noticed a bunch of dog pedigrees laying on the desk. Were bloodlines of many breeders of that day. I saw some Colby pedigrees and some Heinzl pedigrees. It appears that Mr. Teal like Mr. Earl Tudor was a show and go type dog man. Was only concerned about the dog's pedigree at another date and time. Cheers
I'm too stubborn to give in, but the two bowls at a time was putting the beat down on me.
EWO
Originally Posted by S_B
The accuracy of pedigrees is one of the most interesting subjects in the dogs.
My favorite quote in the dogs was made by Mr. Lester Hughes.
In so many words...The only way to know how a dog is bred is to win three or four or produce three or four winners. There is always some sonofabitch standing in the corner that knows how he is bred.
EWO
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