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[Officially Retired]

agreed, YOU TAKE YOUR DOG TO THE VET THE FIRST DAY IT DOESN'T EAT, NOT AFTER A WEEK.
if your son or daughter didn't eat and was pissing orange.... would you wait a week? then why wait with the dog?

Exactly. Being a good dogman takes a little more than just tossing food at your dogs and rolling them every time the scabs fall off from the last one ...

[Ape09]

i appreciate the concerns and the help . the dog is not with me he is at a buddy yard in the house. we dont have any trusted vets in the area im in and if i was to bring him in might have some trouble getting him back if you know what i mean . ive had these problem before with one and i did a couple things i learned from others and bounced them back . my buddy told me he was acting a little different and that he was still eating and drinking water but not as much so i didnt think much of it just maybe he was getting adjusted to where he at. now when i get out to see him i see the same symptoms i seen in one other one i had only thing different was the little slime stones . thats y i asked never seen it before dont get me wrong i will take one to the vet fast but im all about hands on for my self if possible and i try to avoid (the vets in my area) again thanks for the information and any more

[loot]

Maybe you can find a vet tech. that will help you. There is a website called ask a vet. I guess its better then doing nothing.

[Ape09]

Thanks and doing nothing is definitely not the plan

[loot]

I'm sure it isn't. You at least asked for help here.

[Officially Retired]

i appreciate the concerns and the help . the dog is not with me he is at a buddy yard in the house. we dont have any trusted vets in the area im in and if i was to bring him in might have some trouble getting him back if you know what i mean . ive had these problem before with one and i did a couple things i learned from others and bounced them back . my buddy told me he was acting a little different and that he was still eating and drinking water but not as much so i didnt think much of it just maybe he was getting adjusted to where he at. now when i get out to see him i see the same symptoms i seen in one other one i had only thing different was the little slime stones . thats y i asked never seen it before dont get me wrong i will take one to the vet fast but im all about hands on for my self if possible and i try to avoid (the vets in my area) again thanks for the information and any more

I have PM'd FrostyPaws about this, as he is studying in the medical field and may be able to offer better info than I can.

If it's not straight babesia, then I am suspecting kidney failure.

How old is he?
What is be being fed?
Does he get enough water?

There is debate on this, but I am 100% positive that those super-high-protein diets (and sometimes cheap kibble) can lead to kidney failure ... especially if there's not enough water available.

Good luck,

Jack

PS: Call any/all good dogmen, local to your friend's area, and you should be able come up with a good vet somewhere within a reasonable drive.

[Ape09]

Ok thanks fellas and jack appreciate the pm to frostypaws he a little over a year and yes he is on low grade kibble where he being kept at the time but plans to change to raw is in effect as of now .this is him not to long ago

[FrostyPaws]

I've never seen urine with "slime balls" in it. Look more like bubbles. Could be some type of sediment, and if you're having enough sediment to be seen by the naked eye, the dog needs a vet. If it were kidney failure, a lot of times urine output is close to nothing (depending how far along it is) or it's simply a light color like most urine due to the kidneys not filtering at all. The urine I've seen from babesia has always been a little darker than that, and it was always frothy, but it's not exactly easy to determine coloration. If the dog hasn't been eating/drinking, my first inclination is babesia also, especially if there is dark, frothy urine and orange colored stools.

[S_B]

I feel a little detail here is warranted concerning "orange stool".

The stool isn't actually orange, its dark colored like most turds are. The "orange" coloration is inside the stool which can be noticed after the stool dries somewhat. Also note the turd is very fiberous looking, or tarry. It isn't formed solid like normal.

I always referred to it as looking like "pumpkin" stool...similar in color and consistency.

It is important not to over feed a dog with babesia as well. The lowered red count makes it more difficult for them to process their meals. Small more frequent feeding of a bland diet is best. Fresh liver does wonders as well.

I noticed this orange coloration myself back in the early 2000's, my partner didn't believe me, nor did my buddy who was a vet tech for 28 years. Babesia was fairly new to the screen here then and was believed to have been brought here by CH Sassy Boy after he was shipped back from overseas.

Anyhow, I believe Jack has touched on this very subject somewhere on this database. Good luck.

S_B

P.S. If your dog is only a little over a year, and has been free of ticks and flies. And not had contact with another dog, babesia may not be your culprit.

[Ape09]

Thanks guys my buddy taking took him in for the test 300 buck almost frostypaws if the word you are using "frothy " means like a cream milky look my buddy said he seen that to in the urine but according to him it was less lately thats makes me nervous but I guess will find out thanks for the help again