Question on buying dogs.

[Bullman]

Ok GENIUS here you go http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=555&cat=boxer check his first two fights, this is his professional record GENIUS what weights were those at? NOW ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG.

You said SRL slapped Hagler silly, not bitch slapped or pitty patted. I said Hagler was never outclassed and you said "oh you must have forgot about Leonard"

The fight was a draw on the cards duh we all know that, that does not mean it was close. Lennox Lewis vs Holyfield was a draw too ON THE CARDS but anyone with half a boxing brain knows who won those fights.

Jack I know this is the highlight of your life arguing online all day because you have no family life and no dogs so off you go. I will show my true character now by not replying to you anymore so you will have to find someone else to keep you occupied.

[Officially Retired]

Ok GENIUS here you go http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=555&cat=boxer check his first two fights, this is his professional record GENIUS what weights were those at? NOW ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG.

You said SRL slapped Hagler silly, not bitch slapped or pitty patted. I said Hagler was never outclassed and you said "oh you must have forgot about Leonard"

The fight was a draw on the cards duh we all know that, that does not mean it was close. Lennox Lewis vs Holyfield was a draw too ON THE CARDS but anyone with half a boxing brain knows who won those fights.

Jack I know this is the highlight of your life arguing online all day because you have no family life and no dogs so off you go. I will show my true character now by not replying to you anymore so you will have to find someone else to keep you occupied.

Son, I am arguing FACTS, you are arguing "opinion." And, YES, Leonard outclassed Hagler with his brain (I have already covered why).
And the fight wasn't a "draw" either; the FACT is, Hagler LOST. Your "opinion" means nothing.

Now, as to Chavez/Whitaker (which you're trying to avoid), classic, you provide a link which PROVES you are too freaking clueless to realize that 134 lb is still within the LIGHTWEIGHT limit

Admit "I" was wrong?
Um, genius, you need to step up and admit YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

Reality check: 135 is the MAX a fighter can be and still be a Lightweight.
That means a 134 lb fighter is still a lightweight, 1-lb shy of the MAX for that division

130 lb is the MAX a fighter can be to be a Junior Lightweight ... which means 134 lb is 4-lb OVER the Junior LW limit
Whitaker was NEVER a Junior Lightweight (even in the Olympics, he fought as a Lightweight);
Chavez' last fight at Junior Lightweight, after 55 fights, was @ 129 lb

Whitaker was always a LIGHTWEIGHT ...
Jesus, can you get anything right

By your own link, Whitaker clearly BEGAN his pro career at 134, 5-lb bigger than Chavez was after his 55th fight;
Meanwhile Chavez FINISHED his Junior Lightweight career (55 fights) at 129, or less, which is 5-lb lighter than Whitaker was when he began his pro career);
(Chavez began his pro career at 121.)

So, again, YOU are the one who is wrong on every level;

You can't add and subtract;
You think "your opinion" is a "fact," which makes you unable to be reasoned with;
You can't admit something as obvious as the numerical fact that 134 is greater than 129;
You can't admit something as obvious as the numerical fact 145 is greater than 142 (which is the weights Whitaker/Chavez actually fought at);
You don't understand 134 lb, the weight Whitaker first was when he turned pro, is still in the lightweight division;
You don't see that Chavez first began his career at 121, and fought under the 130 lb limit for all of his prime career, while Whitaker began his career just under the 135 limit, and then quickly moved up;
(Whitaker even fought at the 135 lb limit as an amateur in the Olympics as a very young man ...)

There is not ONE, SINGLE objective fact which gives you a reason to say, "Chavez was the bigger man," which makes you (and your entire belief system surrounding Chavez) WRONG.
The FACT is, Chavez was the SMALLER man, all throughout his career, as well as on the actual fight night (Chavez' 88th and Whitaker's 33rd).

Thus YOU are the one who needs to man-up and admit he is wrong here ... "genius"

[Officially Retired]

Now Regarding Hagler vs. Chavez ... and which one was FACTUALLY the better fighter, pound-for-pound ...

Here are THE FACTS:

Hagler was 62-3-2 (67 fights total / 93% wins / 78% KOs) at his best weight;
Chavez was 55-0-0 (55 fights total / 100% wins / 84% KOs) at his best weight;

Hagler was 62-2-2 when he faced Leonard, at his own best weight, yet he lost, and then quit boxing altogether;
Chavez was 87-0-0 when he faced Whitaker, 3 weight divisions over his best, he got a draw, and kept fighting and winning afterward;

Hagler's best weight was 158
Leonard's best weight was 147

Chavez' best weight was 129
Whitaker's best weight was 135

Hagler LOST to a naturally 11-lb smaller man;
Chavez DREW to a naturally 6-lb bigger man;

FACT: Chavez moved up in weight class, to Lightweight, NEVER lost, and DESTROYED everyone he fought there too;
FACT: Hagler never moved up in weight class, lost 3x and drew twice, in his best weight class;

FACT: EVERYONE who beat Hagler was his same size, or smaller; and so he never risked moving up;
FACT: NO ONE Chavez's size ever beat him;
FACT: NO ONE the next weight class up, Lightweight, ever beat Chavez either;
FACT: The only losses Chavez ever suffered were 2-3 weight divisions above his best, after he had NEARLY 90 FOCKING FIGHTS WITHOUT A SINGLE LOSS!!!

FACT: Chavez had a better record, on every level, any way you want to slice it, than Hagler did. Period.

So now, you tell me "why" ... what OBJECTIVE FACTS you have in your hand ... that could possibly place Hagler over Chavez pound-for-pound ... and what OBJECTIVE FACTS made you say Chavez was "the bigger man": than Whitaker

Jack

Bottom Line: So, no, you don't know how to think accurately ... so let me turn the light on for you

[Pit Bull Committed]

Anyone who doesn't breed from a set family of dogs CAN'T be a good breeder, by default.

You simply CAN'T breed reliably from a hodgepodge of different stuff, so the dogman who is both breeder and shower, is always going to be working with his own family.

The dogfighter who has a whole bunch of different stuff is always going to be the guy who can't reliably and consistently breed his own good dogs ... and is going to also be a BUYER (not producer) of great dogs.

Active dogmen tend to keep their pups to themselves, and if they sell, I guarantee they're not selling what they perceive to be their "best" pups; they're selling what they're culling and perceive to be their worst pups.

Good breeders are in the BUSINESS of breeding/selling good dogs; the breeder BENEFITS by selling good dogs.
Good "do it all" dogmen are in the BUSINESS of breeding/matching their own best dogs; the dogfighter LOSES by selling his best pups.

So, unless the guy is a junkie, or unless he lo$e$ major ca$h after a major dog deal, he is not going to be selling his best, be they dogs or pups.

Jack

This is true. I've see too many, been there too many times. I simply won't give my money away for a pup that I seriously didn't think it was the best one in the litter.

[bamaman]

Lol then they get mad because you won't buy them..I know some of you have been offered free dogs and alot of the times you run into the same thing as mentioned above but not all the times..I don't mind spending cash for something I want but sometimes a deal can't be made and its better to just shake hands and walk away.

[Officially Retired]

This is true. I've see too many, been there too many times. I simply won't give my money away for a pup that I seriously didn't think it was the best one in the litter.

Yeah, but here's the thing: sometimes the best performer isn't the best producer

For example, Ch Stormbringer was the best dog in the litter, but his brother Crews' Sandy (Warlock) was the best producer.

Another example, Ch Vengence was the best dog in his litter, but his sister was an ace too, and his brother Techno was the better producer (Vengence was sterile).

Another example, Jezebel was the best dog in her litter, but Duke Nukem, Laguna Sunrise, Mystery, and Athena Red were all extremely game, conformationaly-flawless dogs who produced winners and DG animals.

Bottom line is, in a legitimately good litter, there will be A LOT of good dogs, not just "one" ... so if you think only "one" dog in the litter is going to be good, then I wouldn't get any dog from that litter.

And if it's a damned good breeding, then you should be happy with any of them, because there will be MANY valuable dogs produced, not just one

Jack