WELL I DID A 14 GEN ON MY GYP PAYDAY MEAN AZZ. I FOUND TUDOR (MAYFIELD) NIGGER ROM, 1125 TIMES EQUALINE 46.808 PERCENT. HOW WOULD ONE LOOK AT THIS COMPARING TO A DIRECT OUTCROSS BREEDING OFF HIM, WHICH WOULD ONLY BE 50% . WHEN I SAY THIS IM MEANING GENES AND TRAITS WISE OF NIGGER HIMSELF THANKS FOR ALL INPUT
I am not sure what you mean by a direct outcross that would be only 50%.Originally Posted by wheatie
I am also not sure what you mean by "a direct outcross breeding off HIM" ...
Breeding off of whom? Nigger? Nigger's been dead for years.
I also don't know what traits Mayfield's Nigger had as an individual, either.
(CYJ may actually be able to help you there.)
I am trying to make sense of what you said.
Sometimes it's helpful to spend some time actually organizing your thoughts.
I guess the first thing I would ask is, "What traits does the bitch have, herself?"
And then I would ask, "Are these traits she has the traits you're looking for?"
Jack
Hello Wheatie, if you have access to this dog. Is a game dog with traits you like. Try this dog id = 11154, OTRK's DJ. Did you get the Pay Day's Pretty Girl bitch, dog id = 41982 bred? If you are allowed to breed this Pay Day's Pretty Girl again.
I would seriously look at one of the straight bred Vise Grip stud dogs with no out, and if any out, another Carver out in it's pedigree. Would contact the owner of the Pretty Girl bitch. Try to find that other male sibling dog. I understand these dogs are around 8 to 9 years old now. Once again if a good made up game male sibling dog etc. Would do one brother/sister breeding to preserve this old Carver family of dogs.
CA.Jack check out this breeding on this Pay day's Pretty Girl bitch dog id = 41982. There is a picture of her on the on lines pedigree site. Listed as POP Pretty Girl. Would be nice if her picture could be added to her pedigree on here. Typical Carver looking bitch. Knowing how your dogs are bred and the Reuben dog pedigree etc. Sure you can see where I am going with a Vise Grip breeding to this particular Cox/ R. Hyde bred bitch. Just maybe a whole litter of Poncho pups. Unless I missed something in the over all dogs listed in the pedigree. LOL Cheers
P.S. Wheatie double check those pedigrees. I had entered that bitch as Pop's Pretty Girl. All you had to do if you wanted the Pay Day's Pretty Girl. Is just change the registered name and note how it is shown over on the on lines pedigree site in the narrative section. To avoid a duplicate pedigree. Have corrected along with spelling. Be careful Jack will get you, has gotten me before. LOL Cheers
If you had a son of nigger bred to a redboy gyp ,that pup would show up as 50 percent nigger dog. Well my gyp shows up as 46.808 percent nigger. Now she not directly off nigger but very close as the precentage show. Just trying to understand your precentage chart comparing to the actual dog ,thats all. Just asking for some understanding without being made an ass. Nigger is dead ,come on. I spent my money on this site so i figure i would use it ,my mistake
I myself am confused as to what you are trying to say? To be honest with you I wouldn't try to breed for Nigger dogs as the dog himself has been dead and gone for years, I could be wrong but that seems like what you are planning to do. It will be a long road trying to breed long dead dogs concentrate on the dogs of today and build with them for a better tomorrow. Again don't understand what you are trying to get across but I wouldn't be worried about how many times Nigger is in your pedigree.
Thanks i got it
Yes cyj,i did breed her to my zilla dog but can bred her again and has consider the poncho breeding or may to something like her
Ditto Wheatie. One other thing that can help is even though your bitch carries a high percentage of the Mayfield's Nigger (Tudor's Nigger etc.) dog, That shows a strong Dibo influence. That is according to the pedigree and who knows what all was done in those fourteen generations. That pretty well goes for about any pedigrees out there today. Including my own,who knows what Mayfield/Carver/ Maloney/ Tudor did or did not do on those breeding's.
Looking at the pedigree and looking at the bitch. I say her genes moved more toward the Carver side of the breeding. Looks more like a Carver type bitch. Now if she was solid black with that long wide mouth Tudor head on her. Could see more of a Tudor's Nigger influence. Does not mean overtime a pup off her might pop up looking just like the old Nigger dog.
I had one called Young/Cox/ Jackson's Mule on various pedigrees. Was a clone look a like of the Tudor's Nigger dog and was a Black and White dog. My Mule dog was bred off Mayfield's Sunshine x Young's Tina. My CH Jackson's (Young's) Coal Cat bitch was a exact clone look alike of Heinzl's Polly in color/size and build. Was off the Jackson's Hank dog x Young's Tina. The gene connection was Heinzl's Polly and sibling sister Coplin's Molly.
The way that whole litter looked, I knew Mayfield was full of it and just jealous over V. J's success with the Hank dog and tried to discredit the very pedigree he himself hand wrote out for V. Jackson on the Hank dog. The only great dog man that I ever knew. That tried to cut off his own nose to spite his own face. Carver never did such but supported the dog men he sold dogs to.
Where you see a lot of line bred and inbred dogs off Bass Tramp Red Boy. They look and are built like him. I know your Zilla dog has some Bullet breeding way back in it's pedigree. But to be a tight bred Bullet dog, would have to be heavy line bred or inbred and look like the Bullet dog.
Here are three dog id's on Bullet bred dogs with pictures. If these id's are not from this site will be from the on lines pedigree site with pictures. Dog id = 956, 892, 1809. They are typical Bullet looking dogs. Seen a few in my younger days.
One of the last living tight bred Bullet dogs died on A. Howel's yard forty years ago. Was formerly owned by Mr. John Shivar was known as Shivar's Sambo. A beautiful built sold black male dog with a small white ball patch in it's chest. Was Eleven or Twelve years old when A. Howle bought him from Mr. Shivar or the last owner who got the dog from Mr. Shivar.
Still best today to deal with the first four generations of dogs that you have had control over. Breed for gaminess/deep breathing lung capacity/athletic type built dogs first. look for the type pulling traits you like best. Will get overtime, the best over all dogs that way. Cheers
Wheatie does the Fight Doctor have any pure stock off those older bred dogs of Mau Mau and the Panama Red breeding's? That would be a good choice if you wish to keep a strong Mayfield influence in the dogs. Cheers
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