CESAR MILAN (The Dog Whisperer)

[Officially Retired]

How many of you like Cesar Milan?

I think the guy is pretty good myself, but the show is a bit misleading, as if "all" dogs are able to be turned into well-behaved puppies

I remember "whispering" to dogs long before anyone ever heard of Cesar Milan, lol, and have always been pretty good with dogs. I have seen a few of his shows, and I actually think he's a pretty good guy and really good dog handler overall. Still, the viewer must also realize that what he does is "loaded," in that (if he fucks up), they're just going to say, "CUT, TAKE TWO!", and give another "take" so he can get it right. Thus all you see is the right stuff, not the f***-ups

I remember one episode where he climbed into the cage with a "people-mean" dog and then "instantly" had command of the dog, and proved the dog to be friendly. That shit may work with a stone-cur, but I promise you if he would have tried that with Southern Kennels' Kitana, they would have to go find another Dog Whisperer

That bitch was a 54-lb legitimately dangerous animal. The only person on earth she would not flat-out try to kill was her owner Chip. When she was bred to Thunder (by Chip and Kenny), it took 4 people to hold her, muzzled, and still she got out of the muzzle and bit one of the dudes pretty bad on the arm. When she was sent to Southside Boyz and Kennel Bros, she ran all of them up onto the tops of their cars

When I got that bitch sent to me, I had her out of her crate and bred to Poncho (by myself) in under an hour ... no one else could do that with Kitana (not even her own owner) ... so I too know how to handle a dog ... but I sure in the fugg wouldn't have crawled in a cage with that bitch the moment I saw her

So some of the things that guy does might look good "on TV" ... but I assure you that the producers of that show make sure to stack everything in Cesar's favor before they turn on the camera ... AND ... that there is A TON of footage where they had to delete it because his dumb ass either got bit ... or he had to run screaming OUT of certain cages he's crawled into ... because he surely would have had a bad day if he had tried to crawl into a cage like that Kitana

Jack

[ragedog10]

I think he gives a lot of people bad ideas and causes them to get bit. Like you said on TV everything looks good the wonders of editing.

[scratchin dog]

I don't think he is a good dog trainer. I went to one of his seminars many years ago and was not impressed. His pack leader theory sounded good but I just got the feeling it was all theory and his actual training skills were not there. He trains with intimidation and forces dogs to do what he asks. In most of these situations if the dog's owners tried what he does, they would get bit.

There is no way he would be able to train Kitana but I believe this woman could, Dr. Sophia Yin DVM. She is an animal behaviorist and master of behavior modification through counter conditioning and desensitization. Unfortunately she passed away suddenly yesterday and left a huge hole in the dog training world. Here is a link to her site where you can see how she compares her training to that of Cesar Milan. It is clear from the videos near the bottom of the page that her way is much more productive and less stressful to the animal. Some of the video links are missing but there is plenty of info there and on the rest of her site where people can see a huge difference in the way she trains vs the way Cesar trains, and which way is best overall for dogs and their owners.

http://drsophiayin.com/philosophy/dominance

[wrknapbt]

I don't think he is a good dog trainer. I went to one of his seminars many years ago and was not impressed. His pack leader theory sounded good but I just got the feeling it was all theory and his actual training skills were not there. He trains with intimidation and forces dogs to do what he asks. In most of these situations if the dog's owners tried what he does, they would get bit.

There is no way he would be able to train Kitana but I believe this woman could, Dr. Sophia Yin DVM. She is an animal behaviorist and master of behavior modification through counter conditioning and desensitization. Unfortunately she passed away suddenly yesterday and left a huge hole in the dog training world. Here is a link to her site where you can see how she compares her training to that of Cesar Milan. It is clear from the videos near the bottom of the page that her way is much more productive and less stressful to the animal. Some of the video links are missing but there is plenty of info there and on the rest of her site where people can see a huge difference in the way she trains vs the way Cesar trains, and which way is best overall for dogs and their owners.

http://drsophiayin.com/philosophy/dominance

If I'm not mistaken She just passed away a few days ago. He is no trainer hell our house dog would put his skills to the test. If he sees another dog and you touch or kick him he will get amped fast. He is not very clear in his approach to training. It leaves the dogs confused about what they are supposed to do. I myself start in a closed off area with no distraction to be sure the dog knows what I am asking and then I move closer and closer to the distractions. I have never given a correction for dog aggression either. I've only given corrections for not doing a proofed command.

[Nut]

Only thing that bothers me is that he's giving the public a wrong image of pitbulls. For us the difference is very clear but for the majority they associate a bully or show stafford with an apbt because of that crap.

"Now for this problem im going to introduce my pitbull daddy."

Really hate those people who think a bulldogs dog agression is something the owner is responsible for. People base that shit on these type of shows they've seen.

[loot]

Only thing that bothers me is that he's giving the public a wrong image of pitbulls. For us the difference is very clear but for the majority they associate a bully or show stafford with an apbt because of that crap.

"Now for this problem im going to introduce my pitbull daddy."

Really hate those people who think a bulldogs dog agression is something the owner is responsible for. People base that shit on these type of shows they've seen.

Agree

[444]

Eh... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxImB7UQPG8

[ragedog10]

How many of you like Cesar Milan?

I think the guy is pretty good myself, but the show is a bit misleading, as if "all" dogs are able to be turned into well-behaved puppies

I remember "whispering" to dogs long before anyone ever heard of Cesar Milan, lol, and have always been pretty good with dogs. I have seen a few of his shows, and I actually think he's a pretty good guy and really good dog handler overall. Still, the viewer must also realize that what he does is "loaded," in that (if he fucks up), they're just going to say, "CUT, TAKE TWO!", and give another "take" so he can get it right. Thus all you see is the right stuff, not the f***-ups

I remember one episode where he climbed into the cage with a "people-mean" dog and then "instantly" had command of the dog, and proved the dog to be friendly. That shit may work with a stone-cur, but I promise you if he would have tried that with Southern Kennels' Kitana, they would have to go find another Dog Whisperer

That bitch was a 54-lb legitimately dangerous animal. The only person on earth she would not flat-out try to kill was her owner Chip. When she was bred to Thunder (by Chip and Kenny), it took 4 people to hold her, muzzled, and still she got out of the muzzle and bit one of the dudes pretty bad on the arm. When she was sent to Southside Boyz and Kennel Bros, she ran all of them up onto the tops of their cars

When I got that bitch sent to me, I had her out of her crate and bred to Poncho (by myself) in under an hour ... no one else could do that with Kitana (not even her own owner) ... so I too know how to handle a dog ... but I sure in the fugg wouldn't have crawled in a cage with that bitch the moment I saw her

So some of the things that guy does might look good "on TV" ... but I assure you that the producers of that show make sure to stack everything in Cesar's favor before they turn on the camera ... AND ... that there is A TON of footage where they had to delete it because his dumb ass either got bit ... or he had to run screaming OUT of certain cages he's crawled into ... because he surely would have had a bad day if he had tried to crawl into a cage like that Kitana

Jack

Is this the same bitch that you said gave you the fight of your life by hanging onto your skull and hitting you in your gut?

[Officially Retired]

Is this the same bitch that you said gave you the fight of your life by hanging onto your skull and hitting you in your gut?

Yep.

She could have taken my life, were it not for a bit of luck and some awfully-fast reflexes.

She was on pups, and only let me or Chip near them. We were the only ones she would let get near anything pretty much.

Well, one of her pups crawled out of the pen and under a dresser and was crying terribly. Chip was at the store, and Leon and I were tending to a bunch of dogs, when I heard the shrieking pup. I went inside, saw it was stuck under some furniture, and got on my hands and knees to get the pup ... and Kitana went for me as I was stretching to get the pup. Grabbed my head. Had she grabbed the side of my neck, I wouldn't be writing this now.

At that point I was thinking, "What a stupid fogging dog," and as I stood up, she slipped off by noggin, and I smacked her--and she snatched at my hand and nipped my finger. I had forgotten she was people-mean because she liked me (or so I thought), but it was a whole different deal on pups.

I stepped back bleeding like crazy off the top of my head, and scolded her as I tried to back out of the room. It was then that she went for my gut, but I sprawled, grabbed her scruff, and pile-drove her chin onto the carpet, spun her around in a flash, and snatched her up had her in control. Took her outside, told Leon to open a crate, and tossed the bitch in. (Never seen anyone shut a crate faster I'll bet, lol).

Then I dog-stapled my head and went about my business ...

I was used to handling my own bitches with pups, and did not expect her to go off on me like that, after she got used to me. Live and learn ... and glad I lived

Jack

[Officially Retired]

I don't think he is a good dog trainer. I went to one of his seminars many years ago and was not impressed. His pack leader theory sounded good but I just got the feeling it was all theory and his actual training skills were not there. He trains with intimidation and forces dogs to do what he asks. In most of these situations if the dog's owners tried what he does, they would get bit.
There is no way he would be able to train Kitana but I believe this woman could, Dr. Sophia Yin DVM. She is an animal behaviorist and master of behavior modification through counter conditioning and desensitization. Unfortunately she passed away suddenly yesterday and left a huge hole in the dog training world. Here is a link to her site where you can see how she compares her training to that of Cesar Milan. It is clear from the videos near the bottom of the page that her way is much more productive and less stressful to the animal. Some of the video links are missing but there is plenty of info there and on the rest of her site where people can see a huge difference in the way she trains vs the way Cesar trains, and which way is best overall for dogs and their owners.
http://drsophiayin.com/philosophy/dominance

I don't have a set "way" to handle dogs, I just like dogs and dogs tend to just like me.

I think dogs automatically "know" their owner is the boss ... but not so with strangers.

I like some of the things Cesar does, but this whole "pack leader" thing I find annoying. Most dogs simply want to please you. And so all you have to do is praise them by voice, or scold them by voice, and they "get it" (if you start young).

But there are arrogant dogs, shy dogs, and dangerous dogs that throw you a curve ball. A dog like Kitana, that grows up all alone on a chain, with a naturally super-aggressive disposition is always going to be a dangerous dog. I don't care "who" is handling this bitch, as an already-mean adult, Kitana will NEVER be a trustworthy animal with kids, animals, or strangers. NEVER. Period.

Maybe if she were socialized and acclimated as a puppy, but no way are you going to have some woman "train her" after Kitana got set in her ways ... and then think you can turn your back on Kitana in a home full of children, guests, and strangers. Not gonna happen.

Jack