Yes Jack, that is true in alot of cases. But I rarely deal with anyone and the ones I do, know this game pretty well. Been around these animal for a long time and seen alot. If he say the animal was game,you can bet on it. Not saying that the animal is a bad ass but was good enough for him to breed.And games has always been his top concern when it comes to a bulldog. But i still consider everything you have said and know a couple of kennels using the ofrn. I believe that its not the line keeping them from the top but the knowledge of the game. These animal in the right person hands would make a mark in this game.