What are a few options for the absolute best, regardless of price, feeds for pregnant and lactating bitches. I would like to hear both RAW and Kibble options.
Thanks
What are a few options for the absolute best, regardless of price, feeds for pregnant and lactating bitches. I would like to hear both RAW and Kibble options.
Thanks
Jack's raw diet or Origin kibble.
No Quarter, I use a simple formula that keeps mom and her pups super healthy....
Quality kibble high in fat
1/2 cup goat milk
1 egg yolk only
Liquid vitamin mineral supplement.....Centrum
Golf ball size of ground beef.....70/30
I don't start using this until after the bitch shows she's pregnant....usually a month after being bred.....we had a bitch from Floyd that always lost like half of her litter to whatever reason. On this feeding plan she raised 21 of 22
Mix the goat milk and egg yolk together....add like 5cc of Centrum...mix and pour over kibble....add ground beef ball....proven to work and helps the pups to come healthy fat and shiny...
Calcium pills, vitamins and I put the bitch back on puppy food ,kibble is what i use while she is pregnant .I continue it a couple weeks while she is nursing.My litters have always been healthy and the runts catch up fast..I like to watch the runt and if he or she is gaining and showing good strength I'm ok..Just what I do.
No "kibble" is an ultimate food. That is an oxymoron.
My bad Jack.
While I agree, I also think there is an "Ultimate Raw" option and an "Ultimate Kibble" option. There is a good better best in all things, including Kibble.Originally Posted by CA Jack
RAW is not ALWAYS an option for everyone in every situation. You yourself did not feed RAW for all 20+ years that you owned a dog and for someone to be "restricted" to Kibble feed either part time or full time, does not disqualify them from owning, keeping, feeding and breeding dogs.
I prefer RAW myself, I believe 100% it is the best way to feed a dog. However, at the end of the day, these are animals and a quality animal grade food is legal, morally acceptable and for the most part healthy. There is nothing wrong with it outside of being inferior to other methods of nutritional fundamentals.
This idea gets insane at times. Guys say raw, then they say it's gotta be raw organic, then raw wild. I have stated before and I'll state it again. Some of the top breeders (producers of winning bulldogs) in the world, feed Premium Ole Roy. Not endorsing the stuff myself, but it's a fact and their dogs live 12+ years on average, fertility isn't a problem and there are no apparent problems associated with this method. Do I believe RAW is better than Ole Roy - Yep - sure do. But I'm sure not going to think less of my fellow man who feeds it if he is doing right by his dogs in every other way. I think it's petty to do so.
Never understood what the saying, "Doing right by his dogs," means exactly?
Does it mean the man performed a good deed while standing next to a dog he owned?
Seriously, though, as far as the thrust of what you said goes, knowing what a good dog is will put any man in the winner's circle, regardless of what they feed.
Feeding the best feed to poodles won't make them whip bulldogs.
Still, feeding Ol Roy basically boils down to one of two things: ignorance or laziness (or both).
The person either doesn't know any better, or he doesn't give a shit, one or the other.
Neither of which is something to be admired.
It has also been my observation that most of the people who feed the cheapest shit they can feed tend not to give much of a damn about their dogs in other respects either. These are the types who also skimp on many other things (housing, straw, etc.) They may know what a bulldog is, and they may know how to win, but 99x out of 100 most Ol' Roy feeders tend to be on the "dog butcher" side, not the "conscientious owner" side.
So you can do whatever 'you' want to do, and of course think whatever you want to think, but I will continue to think less of any man who feeds this shit to his dog.
Because at the end of the day he is either ignorant, or he doesn't give a damn, there is no other explanation as to why anyone would feed Ol' Roy.
But yeah, the man may also know what a badass dog looks like. Trouble is, he just doesn't give a shit about their long term health, only how he can get away with "keeping them around" as cheaply as possible.
Feeding the cheapest shit one can get away with feeding is certainly not something I will ever admire in a dogman.
I personally tend to reserve my own admiration for those who not only know what a good dog is, they also do their very best for them nutritionally and in their housing as well.
Jack
There's not a lot I disagree with here Jack. For the most part, I agree with most of what you say. Your are king dingaling when it comes to stating things in an irrefutable manner.
However, there are other reasons and one is that a man with 100+ dogs, winning dogs, with no internal parasites, external parasites and dogs housed properly and dogs that have been "done right by" in many many ways, may just be feeding PREMIUM Ole Roy (I know - I know - not much difference in this and regular Ole Roy and I agree - BUT it is better than regular) for the cost effectiveness (meaning monetary only) angle possible.
If I wanted to argue against your "ignorance" stance, I would argue, that a man, breeding, handling and selling winning dogs, is not at all ignorant to be saving in feed increasing his profit margin. Actually sounds smart to me.
If I were to argue against "laziness", I would say a man whose yard is immaculate, FULL OF WINNING DOGS that have won ALL OVER THE PLANET, and every single animal on the yard looks like a thoroughbred, would contradict him being lazy in any way at all, except in the area of feed. A yard with 40+ animals, all in perfect condition, with numerous winners and champions, zero fleas or worms contradicts a lazy dogman.
Simply b/c a man is perceived to be lazy in your eyes b/c of what he feeds does not constitute the man lazy. One aspect of many aspects (the dogs are only one aspect of most folk's lives) of one man's life does not constitute a lazy man. If that logic holds true then every man on the planet is one lazy SOB!
Lots of factors to consider.
Where you a lazy dogman when you were feeding Canidae?
I see this thread evolving, so I hope that's acceptable here today, but here's another consideration for different angles concerning nutrition and what to feed.
How many of you guys have seen people feed 50$ and higher a bag of dogfood or feed almost ideal RAW diet and the dogs look great and do great and live a normal life span with little to no problems, but sooner or later - get the cancer?
How many of you guys have seen people feed cheap ass kibble and the dogs look great and do great and live a normal life span with little to no problems, but sooner or later, THEY LIVE TO BE 15+ freakin years old?
I know there are exceptions to all rules. I really get that. I also believe, 100% that feeding a properly designed RAW diet is the best way to go fro all dogs. I think it is IDEAL - no question about it.
However, I question the expense and trouble at times when I see so much living breathing proof that in a LOT of ways (not all) that it seems to not matter much at all. I've seen stud dogs reach ROM status on some of the cheapest shit food imaginable along with bulldogs winning in top competition on corn flakes (remember's Bill's keep - LOL?) and then I've seen just the opposite on performance canine designed PERFECT nutrition plan.
So where's the line? Is it this? A man HAS to feed RAW or he's a lazy piece of shit OR A man simply do the best he can? If a man's best isn't RAW, but it's his best, is he lazy? Is he a sorry individual? There's no way the majority of this board feeds RAW. NO WAY! The majority of this board feeds Kibble. So is the majority of this board lazy? I don't think so
I believe it's good to have extremes, but the fact is - these are dogs. We have some folks acting like they should be fed better than our children. I have some dogs I love and I have some dogs I love what they do, but really, don't like as individuals too much at all. They all get the same treatment. They typically get the best I can afford and offer. I find that to be lessening as time goes by, so dogs are leaving my yard to be cared for in a way I know will benefit them and me both.
Just stuff for discussion - that's all.
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