Should Showing EXTREME GAMENESS be Part of DOY Candidacy?

[S_B]

High ability dogs also have titles in place (BIS/CH/GR CH) ... yet they get DOY consideration too ... so why shouldn't the exceptionially-game dogs of our sport also have a title for their "over and above" displays of extreme gameness?

Yes, Titere did beat a 6xW/DOY ... but did he belly-crawl, after being a mile behind for 3 hours, losing half his blood supply, on two broken legs?

There are dogs who did these things ... don't you think they deserve Extraordinary Consideration also?

Jack

They have a title of their own Jack, GIS. Like Mister said some of the gamest dogs to ever crawl didn't' have the ability to win. Often times when a dog shows extremely game they either were outclassed ability wise or they were neutralized by an equal opponent.

S_B

[S_B]

I'll add to what I previously stated...a DOY title should be an elite animal, one who possess ALL of the things that make up a great animal.

Performance (beating equally titled dogs)
Ability and Smarts
&
Gameness!

S_B

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Gameness is something we all want our dogs to have but many times a dog that shows extreme gameness is on the losing side of the contest. Some do show that gameness and come out the winner and either case are awarded GIS. Doy is reserved to that special animal who shows that ability to not really get put behind and win convincingly in each and every contest such as the Titere's, The Awesome Beasts, the Barracudas. Doy is reserved for those truly special animals who IMO don't have to show extreme gameness

They have a title of their own Jack, GIS. Like Mister said some of the gamest dogs to ever crawl didn't' have the ability to win. Often times when a dog shows extremely game they either were outclassed ability wise or they were neutralized by an equal opponent.

S_B

I guess no one actrually read what I said, so, once again, we already have titles for "ability" also: do not the titles of BIS / Ch / Gr Ch already reward ability?

So, following your logic, why do we even need DOY?

Isn't Dog of the Year to separate the best-of-the-best?

If we're going to go over and above the already-existing titles of BIS/CH/GR CH, and add another title (Dog of the Year) ... for ability ... why don't we *also* give some extra title to the extremest of extreme game dogs for all the GIS winners?

Also, to say that just because a dog lost, "it doesn't have the ability to win," is a pretty far stretch.

Ozzie's Homer didn't have the ability to win, against Jeep, at 2 lb below his best weight, C/H by Stepps (as opposed to fighting at his best weight 44 lb, in Ozzie's hands), but that doesn't mean Ch Homer "didn't have the ability to win" ... AT ALL ... Homer just didn't have it that day, at that weight, in those hands. But his gameness was so extreme as to be remembered, historically, more than 99.99% of any Gr Ch ever.

So let me say this again: we already have titles for ability: CH/Gr Ch/BIS ... and DOY ... that is 4 different ways to confer glory to winners ... and yet we only have ONE way to confer glory to our GAME dogs

That sucks IMO.

Why shouldn't there be equal consideration given to the extremest of game dogs of our sport?

The more I think about it, the more the title of Game Dog of the Year is a title that is long, long, long overdue

Jack

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I'll add to what I previously stated...a DOY title should be an elite animal, one who possess ALL of the things that make up a great animal.

Performance (beating equally titled dogs)
Ability and Smarts
&
Gameness!

S_B

Agreed.

[Hushman]

my bad jack I sent you a pm...most definitely after all these are gamedogs...that it is the number one trait we should all be looking for to begin with!!!

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Focus on the fact that Homer did lost. Can't just assumed that he would've could've won if he was in different hands and at the correct weight. Not saying you don't have a point. All I'm saying is that the fact is that Homer did lost.

[ragedog10]

For gamest dog of year I'll go with CH.Lotto he showed what a game dog is suppose to be. Or even CH.Texas damn it I'm rambling now lol

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my bad jack I sent you a pm...most definitely after all these are gamedogs...that it is the number one trait we should all be looking for to begin with!!!

Yeah, I could swear another name these dogs go by is GAME Dogs (not "ability" dogs).

Again, what Titere did is remarkable ... but, again, would he take a killing, and belly-crawl at the 3-hr mark, on two broken legs, losing half his blood supply.

IMO, the GAME dogs who have done things like this are no less remarkable ... and they deserve our highest HONORS also ... not just a "footnote"

Jack

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Focus on the fact that Homer did lost. Can't just assumed that he would've could've won if he was in different hands and at the correct weight. Not saying you don't have a point. All I'm saying is that the fact is that Homer did lost.

I don't need your help in what to focus on, son.

And we all know Homer lost, so you're repeating the obvious, non-thinking facts.

I am not responsible if you don't know enough to realize what a different weight, and a different keep, can bring out in a dog

[Officially Retired]

For gamest dog of year I'll go with CH.Lotto he showed what a game dog is suppose to be. Or even CH.Texas damn it I'm rambling now lol

Did he lose in 2014?